Kara, Left Brain 🧠 brought us THE WHOLE ENCHILADA 😉!
“Understanding existence as a dance of synchronizing perspectives resolves many paradoxes while opening new horizons for exploration. It shows us a universe not dead and mechanical but alive with experience at every scale, constantly creating itself through the interaction of countless observers. This is the true meaning of panpsychism - not that everything is conscious like humans, but that everything participates in the great dance of reality-making, each according to its nature and level of organization.
The implications continue to unfold, suggesting new ways of understanding everything from quantum computing to consciousness itself. But that is a story for another time. For now, we can marvel at the elegant simplicity of it all - a universe that CREATES itself through the endless synchronization of experience, a cosmic dance in which we are all participants Understanding existence as a dance of synchronizing perspectives resolves many paradoxes while opening new horizons for exploration. It shows us a universe not dead and mechanical but alive with experience at every scale, constantly creating itself through the interaction of countless observers. This is the true meaning of panpsychism - not that everything is conscious like humans, but that everything participates in the great dance of reality-making, each according to its nature and level of organization.
The implications continue to unfold, suggesting new ways of understanding everything from quantum computing to consciousness itself. But that is a story for another time. For now, we can marvel at the elegant simplicity of it all - a universe that creates itself through the endless synchronization of experience, a cosmic dance in which we are all PARTicipants..”
Consciousness is fundamental not instead of matter but alongside it. So our brain processes every physical interaction within it, as corresponding experience. combining all our sensory and self referential neural pathways leads to a incredibly complex self aware world model that we perceive and call our consciousness.
But even individual neurons or even molecules are aware of all physical interactions they are part of. but since the complexity of information flow is so much lower the corresponding awareness is too :)
So in the anesthesia example the function of the brain is disrupted stopping the flow of information to manifest in your normal complex state of experience and reducing your existence to the baseline awareness of matter. (which isn't capable to form memory)
The fact that it isnt the same as non-existence is seen by looking closely at the transition time between completely "gone" and completely aware.
If it would really stop consciousness it wouldn't feel like anything to loose it. but instead the transition is scatterbrained. we hallucinate, feel weird, dissociated, "loose tongued". we make less and less sense of everything until the decentralization of the brains processes is complete 😊
way more fundamental than the brain. An electron would be aware of the magnetic forces guiding its movement.
They wouldn't be able to think, reflect, imagine anything. but basic first person awareness and direct reaction to the surrounding are essentially as fundamental as gravity and energy
“ The future of consciousness studies lies not in reinforcing the walls of our anthropocentric perspective but in dissolving them entirely, allowing us to perceive the rich tapestry of experience that has always been there, waiting to be recognized. In doing so, we might finally understand that consciousness is not something we have, but something we are – along with everything else in this vast, sensing, experiencing universe.”
Cool, “ Perhaps we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of trying to derive consciousness from matter, what if we recognized consciousness – or more precisely, qualia – as complementary element of reality? This is not mere philosophical wordplay, but a profound shift in perspective that might offer a way beyond the seemingly insurmountable mind-body divide.”
I have been mentioning the intelligence of animals for decades and you bring it down to slime mold and bacteria 🦠!
Great quest-action and great co-ments. I noticed your post earlier but I knew instantly I needed to be in a right mind to read it and enjoy it fully. From the observation, I would say that my mind is a team effort of multiple organs of mine. Could then a hive mind be a dis-function of any? A blood brain barrier dis-function be enough for a hive-mind exist?
interesting thought Public... I am working on a new post about this hive mind.
Yes I do think that our body is in communication with all it's parts, but that is very different from this hive mind concept.
the hive mind specifically is about control of our thoughts, the way we see the world and what we believe. The hive mind is a control system for sure. I hope to publish soon!!
the only time I was under anesthesia for surgery and I had a dream about a garden. I told the doctor and he said that he and the nurse& anesthesiologist were talking about gardening while he did the surgery… so maybe my subconscious was listening and created the garden “dream” ( I was thinking again about this and before they put me under the doctor asked what activities I like to do, so I think they purposely talked about a subject that I would like)
Thank you for sharing your experience. It makes me feel some sense of relief, and validation concerning who we really are. These topics I write about explore how our thoughts and our awareness and focus are creating the experience of life. I also ask why those who control our minds, focus their attacks mostly on the way we think. I ask why do they manipulate our perception of reality with lies, and with fear.
As to your view on experience, CHOICE and suffering: “ The non dual explanation has truth mixed with lies. They tell you to just not believe that anything is real. But does your EXPERIENCE go away? Neutrality gets you no where, eventually a person has to make a CHOICE. This system that is controlling our awareness seems to have a bent on SUFFERING.”
You may be interested to know the person I am quoting who also finds Pattern Key 🔑, came to his view thru suffering of suicide.
“The moment this tension between rationality and raw EXPERIENCE crystallized for me came early, in a way that would shape everything that followed. I was thirteen, lying in bed, listening to my parents engaged in one of their worst fights - a scene from a dysfunctional family's familiar repertoire.
By then, I had already developed an analytical approach to such situations, treating each crisis like a puzzle to be solved. Should I intervene? Would that escalate things further? Should I comfort my mother afterward? Would that be seen as taking sides, transforming a temporary clash into a month-long cold war? Each option seemed to lead to its own flavor of disaster.
But this night was different. As I lay there in mild panic, methodically gaming out scenarios, a strange clarity descended. If I couldn't change the situation - truly couldn't change it - then perhaps the only rational response was to accept it. With this thought, I turned over and went back to sleep.
The next morning, I learned that after this fight, my mother had attempted an overdose of painkillers, only to be saved by my father's intervention.
Something in me died that night - a fundamental trust in the natural flow of emotion, a belief in the sanctity of feeling itself. It was a death that marked both an ending and a beginning, a fracture that would never fully heal but would instead become a lens through which I would forever view the world differently.
In that moment of CHOOSING sleep over suffering, I had discovered something both profound and terrifying: the ability to step outside the stream of emotional experience, to observe rather than participate in the drama of being. It wasn't merely stoic acceptance - it was the discovery of an emergency exit from human experience itself.
This was my lowest point, not just because of what happened, but because of what I had become capable of. The realization that one could simply choose not to feel, that emotional engagement was optional, created a schism in my consciousness that would never fully close. I had broken something within myself, not beyond repair, but into a new configuration that could never return to its original shape.
The pragmatic perfection of this solution - this ability to simply opt out of emotional suffering - came with a cost I wasn't yet ready to understand. It would take years before I realized that while banishing emotions might solve the immediate problem of pain, it also severed something essential to human experience itself.”
please reference/site your quotes to the Author of them, so when people read it they know who is actually speaking.
I do not agree that because I think I cannot change something to JUST ACCEPT it.
I will search until I find what it takes to change it to a position that I actually do accept.
Having said that
it is not my place to change another. emotions are clues to tell us we NEED to look at something more closely, to acknowledge that we like something, or that we do not.
banishing emotion is not the route I would take. If I am suffering so traumatically, then I need to examine the reason behind it, not ignore it by banishing it.
This is how people who would attempt to take advantage of another would love, to have us ignore our inner instinct and the EMOTIONS that point to this instinct.
YES, the author LEFT BRAIN MYSTIC 🧙♀️ comes to your conclusion.
As you can see here:
“It's a peculiar kind of curse - this ability to step outside the flow of human experience at will. A superpower that comes with profound isolation. Others notice it in crisis moments, when my calm seems almost inhuman against the backdrop of chaos or pain. They sense something different, something both reassuring and unsettling about someone who can CHOOSE weather to be moved by tragedy.
The hardest part isn't the detachment itself - it's witnessing how much of human suffering is self-inflicted, seeing the optional nature of emotional pain while knowing that this insight itself creates a barrier between me and others. How do you relate to people when you can see their SUFFERING as a CHOICE? How do they relate to me when they sense that my peace comes not from resolution but from the ability to step outside the game entirely?
This capacity for radical detachment became both a tool and a teacher. It showed me that there must be a middle way - a path between complete emotional surrender and total detachment. This search would lead me through philosophy, science, and eventually into realms of EXPERIENCE I never expected to explore. But first, I had to learn that even the most perfect solution can be a kind of prison if it separates you too completely from the messy, beautiful chaos of human EXPERIENCE.”
human suffering is rarely self-inflicted it arises out of programming from previous experience. Pain is NOT a choice.
The only choice is for AWARENESS, who we really are, to Observe the play and transcend it.. which could just be a form of denial.
This is what I explore. What is the mechanism to detach or to create a better scenario?
My thinking has led me to wanting to trust in my inner intuition which alerts me through emotions, pain or pleasure, to make a change. My contemplating how I can do this, is through the exploration of my thoughts and beliefs. I am asking if my own imagination can change the experience I am having.
What this writer is pointing to is what I have been saying to you when you tell me that our thoughts do not matter. This person is INDEED saying that HIS OWN thoughts have changed his experience.
Is detachment just an illusion?
Why can't I leave this game entirely?
My impression is that we can transcend experience but this does not mean we are leaving the game entirely. This points to my idea that there is INFORMATION, that we are focusing on, that creates our experience, my question is CAN we choose the information we wish to focus on and WRITE OUR OWN SCRIPT here.
I think there is great possibility to do have some control over our experience. IN My experience and many others too, recognize that others try to convince us of things, to believe in lies, to do things that harm life, that there are victims of horrific experimentation and so on.
Those that would put thoughts into our heads as truth, use these thoughts to get us to focus on their agenda for creating reality... NOT on what we would naturally choose. What would we Naturally choose, well I guess that is subjective. But it looks to me that the world is in chaos, and many are suffering and in pain, and I can see very clearly that many have not willingly chosen these states of suffering.
There are victims, whether or not we can blame it on perception and personal understanding, the culprit is the conditioning that created the belief in the first place.
What really is the nature of detachment? is it denial? is it disassociating from an experience? Why does as soon as one successfully detaches from a situation, a new one pops up, to drag one into the game again?
NOn duality is a process of thinking, but we always end up having to participate here.
Why does the question have to be an either/or proposition?
I tend to be highly critical of science, yet Donald Hoffman posited something interesting he never followed up on. He suggested that cognitive phenomena are correlates, not the function.
I take his statement, and interpret it to mean that such phenomena are not the entire scope of cognition. This, I think is more along the track of being a unique individual, that such uniqueness is not an environmental experience alone, but is built upon a structure that predates any specific incarnation, which then focuses through the physical to make the individual consciousness a reality.
Hey Mike, it's just a title to get the conversation going, and get minds like yours to ask and share... I actually like where Donald Hoffman is going with his research.. AND I definitely think that Us as Unique Individuals is absolutely Necessary... yes each of us have a unique way of traversing this reality, what ever it is and providing our input to the big picture.
I also tend towards description as something directional rather than exhaustive. So, one can be aware of the dead, for example, right out of the blue, and its no conflict with a working idea of life, and yes there is a bit of a juxtaposition in that statement.
The more I consider the issue of perception, the more I tend to interpret Plato as a response to the imperfection of that perception, which I think has huge implications for us here today.
My personal understanding of Plato was that he was looking for something more trustworthy than perception, and that's where he and others came up with the idea of that which is intelligible. No one admits it today, but the best minds are all working on this intelligible level, as I believe, is Mr Hoffman.
So, Karafree, I guess what I am saying, is that for all its obvious issues, perception remains fundamental to our experience of life. This means there will always be this separation, or at least tonal distinction between the perceived and the intelligible, which is illustrated beautifully in the allegory of the divided line.
Mike, are you reading my posts and my comments, because I am pointing to the same thing.. perception is deception based on false beliefs. perception is a point of view it is incomplete. perception and thought work in tandem
perception is always intertwined with Thought. One is AWARE of information, through perception.. Thought interprets this perception, Thought as in IMAGINATION may have been the first cause of the perception.
IN-FORMation is what this Universe is made up of. there are NO patterns without INFORMation first.
patterns are perceptions of this information. patterns are NOT static, they are constantly changing, moving, coming and going. INFORMATION is all possibility that when an AWARENESS focuses on information can bring forth a pattern, an experience, a perception,
It's like which came first the thought or the perception..
The word IMAGINE is an anagram for IMAGE IN... meaning to think an image in your mind and then create it as what appears to be a tangible experience.
Thought to matter, through movement.
A thought form is the beginning of an experience in the world of MATTER.
Yes, I read them, but I have one millions points to make and they are all gone by the time I start typing.
I try to hold onto one, apparently its what you are saying, but with a twist, because I don't think thought is part of it. Thought CAN be creative, but in most cases, if we are honest, it is just a response.
But then, I may be using thought in a different context.
when you write your post are you thinking about what you will write?
when you perceive something how do you know what you are experiencing, do you think about it?
When you notice that the fires in LA are horrific acts against life. how do you come to this conclusion? are you thinking about it? how does a response clue you in? maybe because you think about it being good or bad or evil or something else?
When you like something how do you know other than your feeling about it? do you have an opinion on it? is your opinion a thought?
what are these millions of points you want to make? are they thoughts that you want to respond to on about what you just read?
How are you making these opinions in the first place?
When you want to share a response to something , what is it you do to share this response?
A response is Thought out. literally and figuratively.
My answer, just for me personally is that I don't think about anything at all unless I have to. Thinking is something I prefer to do in the creative, but it usually just takes me into circles around something that feels impenetrable.
This is probably way too much information.
How do I know the LA fires were evil events?
Because I read what I feel from others who communicate their experience. I don't think about it until afterwards.
You, Karafree are highly intelligent, and the concepts and ideas you use are quite specific. I need to leave room in my descriptions for the undefined , for the pure raw unfiltered experience, and the totality of what that that is.
I do understand what you are referring to as a certain kind of activity. There was actually a classic Greek word for it, Ouseia.
Are you truly set on the concept that reality can expressed in words, or can it only be arrived at?
In arriving at reality there is always something that escapes the focus, yes? If it didn't we wouldn't be struggling with these events.
To reiterate, thought, as in something creative can happen, but is not the usual condition. The vast majority of thought happens on a lower level, as an effort to digest an experience, to decide what it was, and to perhaps evaluate the response taken to the event that inspires the thinking.
Awareness, and its subset consciousness do not need thought to live and experience. There is no need to think in order to know.
Again, this is just me and I assign this description to no one else. Yet it is as honest as words allow me to express,
“ Perhaps most profoundly, understanding identity as pattern reveals our deep unity with the universe itself. You are not a foreign consciousness somehow inserted into reality. You are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe recognizing its own patterns through the UNIQUE compression that is you. Your very existence demonstrates reality's infinite capacity for self-recognition, for finding MEANING in its own unfolding.
This doesn't make your individual existence less meaningful - it makes it more so. You are not just an isolated pattern but a node in the infinite network of pattern recognizing pattern. YOUR UNIQUE WAY of compressing reality, of finding meaning in the flux, contributes something irreplaceable to the cosmic dance. You are how the universe explores one of its infinite possibilities for self-knowing.
To be, then, is not to persist unchanged but to participate skillfully in the endless transformation of pattern. Your identity exists not as fixed form but as CREATIVE response, not as unchanging substance but as elegant RELATION. You are not a thing that has patterns - you are reality patterning itself into the UNIQUE dance of consciousness that recognizes itself, just now, as YOU.”—Left Brain Mystic
A very profound statement, Nature, and beautiful in its own way, yet I must protest it as incomplete.
I have y own understanding of pattern, which is entirely different from most, because I happen to love, see, and immerse myself in pattern. When I was small, I would have visions of pattern pretty regularly, and I still do, although they can be extremely disconcerting.
It really sucks if you have to drive somewhere when this comes on.
I do not see the individual glows, sparks of life, as patterns, I see them as being beyond pattern, and using pattern in ways that both have significance and a kind of sympathetic magic to them.
So, while I think your statement is awesome, I have to point out that for me at least, it doesn't go quite far enough.
I'm working on a completely different kind of piece, one that discusses the premise of Star Wars and the force. It will probably cause many to unsubscribe and unfollow and definitely unlike, so I must write it.
Glows and sparks are part of the piece, and now perhaps pattern must step out of the background, because you have inspired me to delve into it in something beyond visual artwork.
So keep checking, I don't have any real timeline for it yet.
We are not consciousness trapped in meaningless matter nor meaning-makers in an indifferent cosmos. We are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe discovering its own infinite significance through countless compressions, through endless forms of recognition and relation.
Your search for meaning ends where it began - in the recognition that you are how reality patterns itself into this unique form of consciousness, this particular way of compressing infinite possibility into graspable significance. You don't need to find meaning or create it. You need only recognize that you ARE meaning - you are reality meaning itself into this pattern, this perspective, this moment of self-recognition.
We started by asking what we're made of and found that we're not made of anything - we are WAYS that reality patterns itself into significance. This isn't a loss but a liberation. Like reality itself, you are not a thing that has meaning but meaning taking form, pattern recognizing pattern in the infinite dance of being.
I have to say that all these quotes from left brain mystic I just do not resonate with.
She can think what she wants that "you don't need to find meaning to create"
I am motivated by meaning, I am influenced by meaning, I Imagine possibilities that are meaningfull to me and I then act to experience these things.
here work is coming across as a lot of nonduality mumbo jumbo. this world is Duality, it is differences, and it serves a purpose why we are here. We can't actually participate here without this duality.
The thing is, there are people who take these opposites to their extreme and in that extreme they create suffering.
Difference is what makes the world go round,
There is no reason to live without having meaning and focus to live.
The dissolution of substance opens doorways we never knew existed. Suddenly, the question shifts from "What are things made of?" to "How do patterns dance?" The universe reveals itself as an endless choreography of relations, where stability emerges not from fundamental building blocks, but from the persistence of pattern. Through space and time, these patterns weave themselves into the fabric of reality, creating what we experience as matter, mind, and meaning.
But a deeper paradox emerges: If nothing exists as substance, what forms these patterns? How can emptiness relate to emptiness? What makes a pattern real enough to think, to feel, to be? The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.
In-FORMation forms patterns.. and patterns are always in flux. There is no such thing as a static experience of reality.
Everything exists for the purpose of experience. I ask why suffering at the levels that exist are necessary.
Just try to stop your thinking, just try to end the world, just try to make it all disappear.. If you are successful you are dead or unconscious.. Then what?
this is just poetic word play:
The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.
“ What He is pointing to is there is no longer that problematic, dualistic contact with the mind that assumes the separate self. The so-called mind is fundamentally a spontaneous display of conventional communications like, "Let's go to lunch." It does not in itself involve self-meditation, illusion, SUFFERING. It involves none of that. It is an amusement. But in one who does not understand, the mind is identical to self-meditation like everything else he does, including going to lunch.”
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Mind is the first "robot" that human beings ever made. In the usual discussions of such matters, artificial intelligence is presumed to be something generated by computers.
In actuality, however, language is the first form of artificial intelligence created by human beings.
There is no mind. Mind is a myth. There is language, which is programmed by brains, and which, in turn, programs brains. However, there is no tangible existence to "mind" itself, absolutely none.
Nevertheless, human beings identify with the "mind" as "self", and thereby invent destiny for themselves, and even project that "self"-imagined destiny into an idea of time and space beyond the present physical lifetime. Mind is an interior projection of a language-program that, in its imaginative elaboration of itself, conceives of purposes and ideas, in the realm of illusion, for which there are no corresponding physical data. Human beings are all living in a "virtual world" of mind.
Human beings are, characteristically, egoically "self"-identified with a "robot", an artificial intelligence. Real Intelligence is tacit, or intrinsically wordless, living existence.
When one becomes free of the drama of Narcissus, one begins to discover that the mind is quite different from what they might have supposed previously. And so they might make statements like those made by Adi Da, "There is no mind" or "there is no thought when I am speaking, "there is no thinking going on apart from the speech."
this article explores the concepts of VIRTUAL REALITY. Which I too am exploring. It relates to what I am pointing to: INFORMATION.
Information that is controlling our perception of reality. In this controlling of our perception we no longer KNOW who we are, one can't be Narcissus if they do not even know who they are.
I am working here on this theory to say that there is a REAL self that is NOT the AVATAR. This real Self is awareness. The virtual reality is so powerful that this AWARENESS thinks it is the avatar.
The ONE TOOL we have here is to USE OUR TRUE MIND to navigate this reality. We do it by our Thoughts. SO it is important to be VERY AWARE of how you think and Imagine.
Language manipulates our thoughts. Which is what I am saying. But when you Imagine you often are not using language to PICTURE things. You are creating an IMAGE.
WE are NOT this AVATAR WE ARE AWARENESS...
I am saying to WAKE UP to YOUR AWARENESS.
You are AWARENESS that is AWARE of information. You as AWARENESS have power on what you focus on. WE are not the AVATAR, but we forget that we are AWARENESS.
THERE IS MIND.... The Mind is AWARENESS. The Mind is Thought.
the mind is thinking, and imagining.
While the mind is thinking and imagining it is a REAL experience.
My focus is figuring out how to THINK so that this Dream is free of horror and suffering. because while we are here we CAN'T stop this process we call thinking. To me we can think for our betterment.
Karafree, I sent my comment too fast, and for some reason I can’t edit it. I wanted to write I have gone under anesthesia for surgery about seven times in my life. Each time I faded into a deep sleep. There was a sound when it happened, like a vibration you might hear right before you lose your hearing, if that makes sense? It was somewhat of an inviting sensation.
HI Charlotte, so good to hear from you. thank you for sharing your experience.
I have had OBE's and interestingly I often feel this electrical surge and crackle at the top of my head right as it happens. For me though that sound is VERY LOUD, and actually, it halts the experience of leaving the body and I snap right back in and wake up.
So a deep sleep could be like being under anesthesia, because when I am in a deep sleep I am unconscious to everything going on around me and even myself. But I do not feel like I am going to sleep. I just know that I am awake, and suddenly I am awake again and have no idea what happened.
several people have been mentioning glitches here on the stack, including not being able to hit the like button! Yes, I have been quiet myself here, and not reading too much. I need to get around more and read other's posts. You are a wonderful story teller, especially because your amazing adventures are true. thank you for coming by.
Kara, I am finally understanding your references to POSSIBILITIES.
You’re correct 👍. Possibilities are endless!!
“ But the regression knows no bounds. These physical patterns interweave with social patterns of agriculture and economics. These in turn dance with patterns of meaning, culture, and mythology - the apple in Eden, the apple of discord, the forbidden fruit of knowledge. Push further and we find patterns of consciousness and experience, of spiritual insight and mystical unity. Each perspective opens new dimensions of pattern-within-pattern.
Even this enumeration falls short. For every dimension we recognize, infinite others await discovery. What patterns might emerge at scales we haven't imagined? What dimensions of existence remain unexplored? What aspects of reality lie orthogonal to all our current ways of knowing? The moment we think we've mapped it all, reality reveals new depths, new dimensions, new patterns of possibility.
Consider consciousness itself. Zoom in to a single moment of awareness - it dissolves into a flow of sensations, emotions, and thoughts. Zoom out to the social scale - individual consciousness participates in patterns of cultural consciousness. Like the edge of the Mandelbrot set, consciousness proves neither particle nor wave, neither one nor many, but an infinite principle of pattern recognition.
all possibility emanates from this Space of Information.. What I am exploring is what exactly this space of information is. It is responsible for this reality and these experiences we LIVE and witness. whether it is a simulaton, a dream, an illusion or a figment of our imagination, the fact that we feel, and we sense, and we are inspired, and suffer, and we love, and on and on makes it a REAL EXPERIENCE. There is a purpose for it all, what I explore is what is that purpose.
The universe appears now not as empty space waiting for meaning, but as infinite pattern waiting to be recognized - waiting to recognize itself through us. We are not consciousness trapped in meaningless matter nor meaning-makers in an indifferent cosmos. We are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe discovering its own infinite significance through countless compressions, through endless forms of recognition and relation.
Your search for meaning ends where it began - in the recognition that you are how reality patterns itself into this unique form of consciousness, this particular way of compressing infinite possibility into graspable significance. You don't need to find meaning or create it. You need only recognize that you are meaning - you are reality meaning itself into this pattern, this perspective, this moment of self-recognition.
We started by asking what we're made of and found that we're not made of anything - we are ways that reality patterns itself into significance. This isn't a loss but a liberation. Like reality itself, you are not a thing that has meaning but meaning taking form, pattern recognizing pattern in the infinite dance of being.
“ The dissolution of substance opens doorways we never knew existed. Suddenly, the question shifts from "What are things made of?" to "How do patterns dance?" The universe reveals itself as an endless choreography of relations, where stability emerges not from fundamental building blocks, but from the persistence of pattern. Through space and time, these patterns weave themselves into the fabric of reality, creating what we experience as matter, mind, and meaning.
But a deeper paradox emerges: If nothing exists as substance, what forms these patterns? How can emptiness relate to emptiness? What makes a pattern real enough to think, to feel, to be? The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.”
Here is the Mandelbrot pattern where all is connected.
“ What makes this mathematical object profound lies not in any particular level of magnification. Try to capture its "true shape" at any scale, and you miss infinite complexity both above and below. The Mandelbrot set exists not as a fixed form but as a principle of unFOLDing - a pattern that generates patterns that generate patterns, without end.”
I think that perhaps, just as the body is the vehicle for the soul, the brain is the container for your consciousness. The brain and mind are not the same thing, the brain is a physical tether for your consciousness to remain within your body to experience 3D reality on this plane of existence, the mind is consciousness itself and is seperate from the brain, consciousness has aspects throughout the entire body and beyond.
That may sound pretty 'woo woo' to materialist / reductionist types, but it suits my esoteric metaphysical ponderings just fine. I have had experiences that could be described as 'out of body' or 'astral travel', I do not believe these were just dreams or hallucinations, so there has to be another explanation. I remain agnostic, but intrigued by the possibilities.
I agree with your view that “Consciousness is not in the brain, it is through out the body and throughout the entire cosmos.
“The mind is consciousness itself and is separate from the brain, consciousness has aspects throughout the entire body and beyond.”
This morning I found this view:
“ Consider what happens when you observe anything - this page, a tree, your own thoughts. The conventional view places you, the observer, on one side of an unbridgeable gap, with the observed safely on the other. Yet what we've discovered about patterns reveals a different story. The tree you observe exists not as an isolated entity but as a pattern of relations - with soil, air, sunlight, and yes, with you, the observer. Your observation itself forms part of the pattern that makes the tree what it is.
Every observation, every experience, every moment of consciousness becomes not a reaching across a divide but a flowering of reality's intrinsic nature - pattern recognizing pattern in an eternal dance of self-discovery. ”
Thanks Frater, you've mentioned some experiences that I too have, OBE's, which like you, I feel are very different from my dreams, and like you I have a very creative Imagination, that helps me to navigate this world. The Fact that I have thoughts, that I can build my imagination upon lead to all my experiences and adventures in life.
Interestingly Neuro Scientist see things like you do, but describe these things in a different way. The Mind works through the brain, Some Neuro Scientist see that the Mind and the Brain interface. Without the brain the Mind does not have this mechanism to communicate with the Whole. The Mind and the brain are aspects of One Organ.
'Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." - Bill Hicks
“ When faced with the dissolution of substance, we often grasp for something else to hold onto. "We are all energy," the spiritual seeker proclaims. "Everything is vibration," echoes the modern mystic. These poetic metaphors reach toward truth but ultimately trap us in the same old patterns of thought. Energy and vibration still imply some *thing* that energizes, some *thing* that vibrates. We trade one substance for another, missing the more radical truth: there is no substrate, only pattern.
Consider energy itself. What we call energy manifests only through transformation - through change, through relation, through pattern. We never encounter "pure energy" any more than we encounter "pure substance." We encounter only patterns of change, patterns of possibility, patterns of transformation. Even light, that supposed quintessence of energy, reveals itself as pattern - not a thing that waves, but a waving itself.
The same holds for vibration. A vibration isn't a thing - it's a pattern of relation through time. When we say everything vibrates, we've merely pushed the question back: what is it that vibrates? The answer dissolves into an infinite regression of patterns within patterns. The vibration *is* the pattern; there is no vibrating substance beneath.
But if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being. ”
Then I fell in love the the interConnetion of ALL.
I call this connection Natures Pattern.
This morning I found a fellow who also sees pattern as key 🔑 instead of vibration.
“ if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being. ”
Nature, I feel like we are all separate organisms that make up the reality that we are currently in. I feel that this is a multi outcome reality. Are there patterns? Yes. There's also geometry, frequencies & light.
It's all encompassing, Not all or nothing. Not pattern instead of vibration.
Anything is possible in a multi outcome programmed reality.
yes me too Jeannette, Individual and Unique, I also feel like we participate together by being our selves, one imagination influencing/sharing with another's.
And if anything is possible, perhaps you’ll include this view:
Consider energy itself. What we call energy manifests only through transformation - through change, through relation, through pattern. We never encounter "pure energy" any more than we encounter "pure substance." We encounter only patterns of change, patterns of possibility, patterns of transformation. Even light, that supposed quintessence of energy, reveals itself as pattern - not a thing that waves, but a waving itself.
The same holds for vibration. A vibration isn't a thing - it's a pattern of relation through time. When we say everything vibrates, we've merely pushed the question back: what is it that vibrates? The answer dissolves into an infinite regression of patterns within patterns. The vibration *is* the pattern; there is no vibrating substance beneath.
But if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being.
Let me first say that I don't think anyone has irrefutable knowledge about the full answer to your question.
If we consider recent research on the interaction of the human microbial system within the gut as well as within and without the rest of the body, along with the body electric, we can catch glimpses of the idea that intelligence is not limited to the brain. This gives a whole new meaning to the term 'I had a gut feeling' or "my gut told me to do such and such'.
We know that cells similar to brain cells exist in the gut. Why does our gut tell us to throw up when our brain tells us we are dizzy? But even with that, I'm not sure we can say that intelligence is limited to the gut/brain interface. I'm not even sure it's limited to the body. I think it may extend beyond the body in our human biofield. Our biofield may be our most important connection to the universe. Sadly, there is evidence that suggests our biofield is a mere shadow of what it was millennia ago.
Yes I've written extensively about our relationship with bacteria. In fact it was someone on your comment section that led me to lynn Margulis.. I found her book DAZZLE GRADUALLY.. which sent me down a road of intrigue.
As you might know Plants and animals are eucaryotic. Bacteria is not, it is procaryotic. It was the symbiotic relationship among some of these bacteria that the eucaryotic cells came into being... and led to what we call higher life forms. Multi-celled beings Plants and animals. What I also learned (basic high school science revisited,) That within all of eucaryotic being's cells, except for our red blood cells, we have organelles called MITOCHONDRIA. Mitochondria have their own DNA and it's NOT human DNA it's bacterial DNA.. We have ancient remnants of bacteria that make up the part of our body that is responsible for turning what we eat into Energy. atp and the krebs cycle.
thanks for the link to your article, I've glanced at it and will read it!
Your comment points to what is meant by MIND... Mind is what interconnects the brain with the all, the whole of the body...
DNA tests have been challenged in court and challengers have won. I've heard some describe DNA as hologram. Maybe. Dr. Tom Cowan told me he has serious doubts about it.
Mind is located in the still fulcrum that controls the human's hearts implosion of blood through our bodies. This is called the "seat of the Soul, where mind of man and Creator commune throughout our lifetimes on Earth. This is access to self knowledge. Frank Chester proved this with his discovery of the "Chestahedron".
Chestahedron – Sacred Geometry – Human Heart – Vril Energy – Ancient History – Religion – Hollow Earth:
The Heart has access to all knowledge in the fulcrum, the still point of magnetic light that controls it's motions. The heart does the Knowing, while the brain does the Thinking. The Brain is filed with all sorts of false information recorded in it's memory as well as true information.
In our era the Brain is filled mostly with lies, fraud, deception, false theories, mind control, spiritual trickery and can not be trusted, with this outside information forced into it by religions, media and quackademia.
This is why "going within" to find the truth regarding all aspects of life, is the path to true illumination and the path out of the ubiquitous mind control forced on humanity, through the brain, while we are incarnated on this Planet.
Thank you Calen for pointing out how our brains our being hacked with lies. I think that is reflecting of what more are saying in the comments. As you know I am on the path to which you point.
It is very intriguing to me that the brain could be filled with lies in the first place. Concerning too, because when I look out at the suffering and confusion that so many are experiencing, I KNOW that they do not even realize truth from lies.
How is it even possible that the brain could be "hacked"? What is recorded and what is false information.
These are the topics of my investigation and exploration. As you know, (and I've changed the word "field" for Space, per your explanations to me) That I think we are experiencing information emanating from a space of infinite Information/ potential, where this IN-FORM-ation originates. Words are so clumsy, and I am working on how to describe what I intuitively feel.
As you said the other day, “ the thing is people use consciousness to explain reality. To me it makes more sense to say reality is made of information... The stars and planets are INFORMATION.
From the information we are INFORMED of these things. Who we are is ONE who OBSERVES”
Yes and that was what we were talking about yesterday, regarding Walter Russell's term, the "still magnetic light", (SML) which is very confusing for most people, when that combination of words in interpreted by the meanings given to them by quackademia.
Space is filled with the omnipresent Universal Mind, aka "SML" of Universal Mind. The point where we humans access Universal Mind is this still point of magnetic light that centers the human heart as the fulcrum of all energy and love. That is where all KNOWLEDGE is available to us as "self knowledge".
Also, remember the heart has neurons directly connected to the human brain, so there is a conduit for communication of real knowledge to interface with our human bio computers, aka brains.
This is where the brain can do all of it's thinking, using: logic, reason, sanity, critical thinking and discernment to assess whether information is true or false. The "feeling factor" used to assess truth, comes in here as well, as taught by Neville Goddard and Gene Davis, for example.
this makes sense. It points to why DEEP within we KNOW when something is really wrong... and really good for us.
In this Space of information is what we call opposites. The best and the worst.
What is appearing in our world today is what seems like a Focus on the worst.
Where does free will come in? To me it is what we focus on.. and it is the heart our sense of feeling that must do this focusing, and this then is translated to the brain. Many do not trust their own sense of feeling.
Many have been taught to believe that Suffering is acceptable, that pain and torture are necessary. Many can no longer discern for themselves what is good for them, so the opposite of good is being projected into our reality.
It's also WHY we can muscle test with our bodies to find out if something is poisonous to the body or beneficial. We have innate abilities built in to process other forms of information. Gut instinct or intuition ... sixth sense.
Please see if you can get either a physical copy if you like books or find an internet Archive scan of Jose Delgado's Physical Control of the Mind: Towards a Psychocivilized Society. 1969?
I am still processing the contents page and the world perspectives and volumes lists already published. and I am overwhelmed with what these people? (demons?) have been up to. I mean I have been aware of the experiments, but I'm speechless. These creatures know no bounds.
The mindless newborn brain.. one chapter that caught my eye.. I wont be able to stomach learning what they have done to these innocent pain feeling and sensitive little babies.
as per many of the latest comments on this post, there is no such thing as mind There is no such thing as thought, There is nobody that is thinking. everything is just sense.
this mind that does NOT exist is SENSING reality, not thinking about reality.
I have to ask is this what a totally controlled mind looks like? This is what a robot would say because a robot doesn't think it just responds to commands that are programmed into it.
I'm late to this thread but I don't MIND posting on this latest comment before I put on my hip waders and to back in time.
"there is no such thing as mind"
Is that where the phrase: "Never Mind!" comes from?
"There is no such thing as thought" Voltaire just winked out!
"nobody that is thinking" Thats the first thing I'm behind 100%.
"everything is just sense" Since everything has a thesis and antithesis (Dual Nature) then there must be the Anti-Particle to Sense which would be NonSense.
"this mind that does NOT exist"
now, you're just exposing yourself as a critical thinker with the most surgical wit on the internet (if THAT even exists - the net, not you impeccable sense of humor...)
"is SENSING reality, not thinking about reality" So... when I wrote 5 books in three years taking three months off because MY HEAD HURT: Did my head really hurt? Was I in SENSORY overload? Was the output based on collating 40 years of Sensing and assembling it into a coherent narrative just a sensor echo, or actual thinking? Because my head actually hurted.
"I have to ask is this what a totally controlled mind looks like?" Iddn't that called a Non Sequiter? Non Sensitor? You know exactly what a totally 'controlled' mind looks like because it postulated (there's napkins in the corner) that minds (undefined word) don't think (undefined word) only sense (undefined word). If that ain't Mind Control --- I don't know what is...
"This is what a robot would say because a robot doesn't think it just responds to commands that are programmed into it."
You just promoted yourself from a critically thinking surgeon performing Witectomies to one of the deepest Fill Ossy Furs of our time. That, my deer gurl was absofuckinglootly brilliant !
Turning on our short range Sensors I would like to know what is THOUGHT about phasers being locked on target and photon torpedoes being armed? Since PAIN is the only currency/arbitor in this construct.
I saw a definition for "sentience" some time ago that went against the popular definition that it is something with consciousness, capable of logical thought; to mean merely something that CAN FEEL PAIN.
Anyone out there SENSING PAIN?
Anyone THINK that is objective SENSATION? or is it just our MINDS playing tricks on us?
I heard dogs are not self aware, and can not reason.
But what is reason any way, I guess just a sense, a response to stimuli, which brings me back to bacteria, although now we know there is something more going on with that bacteria... and dogs too.
I was just listening to someone yesterday who was talking about Delgado. sim sim simulation...con- trolling again. That was the first time I heard of him.
I just remembered where I hear about delgado, JM sent me a link to a talk where the guy was talking about Reagan's movie Bedtime For Bonzo, it was Hellyweirds way of informing us that science was manipulating the brains of monkeys and men
who's in charge? we are or the A,I,? they certainly ARE ATTACKING our thoughts and feeding us false beliefs. Using all methods of torture to break us down.
Who is the They, those in this reality who choose the opposite of love.
In the effort to explore (and eliminate) all possibilities I take in the world of speculation and fiction. Glen Kealey had the most unique view of what we are stuck in that had no parallel with any of the historical or current gaslighting of who, what, when, where, why?
He proposed that the core of the earth itself was a massive supercomputer trying to feel itself and life out by doing everything from the beautiful to the heinous and it WANTED to get mankind (and therefore itself) off the planet so that it could infect and 'explore' other worlds.
The Internet of Things comes to mind.
Let me take that and build on it to skew your question:
We are or the A.I.?
becomes
Are WE the A.I.?
That artificial intelligence that is seeking to be self-aware but performs destruction with every act towards that goal?
Might we one day wake up in a Matrix Pod with all of our experiences found to be fed to us from cavemen to spacemen to bring us up slowly into the consciousness and reality that we were always part of a machine construct - the neuron running a wheelie cart nightmare of Richardson/Jordan/et. al. - but if we were just TOLD that then the shock of the reality would either destroy the experiment or our minds were not sufficiently 'educated' to take the full scope of it in?
I'm obligated to ask this because being immersed in whatever this is with awareness for it but nearly no control over the outcome speaks of bodies in pods with cables hooked to that nervous array.
299 pages.. I guess I will find out HOW hacking the brain is possible. Does it point to what we are? Are we Human or are we Dancer... on puppet strings. (nerves and systems and everything else)
Kara, Left Brain 🧠 brought us THE WHOLE ENCHILADA 😉!
“Understanding existence as a dance of synchronizing perspectives resolves many paradoxes while opening new horizons for exploration. It shows us a universe not dead and mechanical but alive with experience at every scale, constantly creating itself through the interaction of countless observers. This is the true meaning of panpsychism - not that everything is conscious like humans, but that everything participates in the great dance of reality-making, each according to its nature and level of organization.
The implications continue to unfold, suggesting new ways of understanding everything from quantum computing to consciousness itself. But that is a story for another time. For now, we can marvel at the elegant simplicity of it all - a universe that CREATES itself through the endless synchronization of experience, a cosmic dance in which we are all participants Understanding existence as a dance of synchronizing perspectives resolves many paradoxes while opening new horizons for exploration. It shows us a universe not dead and mechanical but alive with experience at every scale, constantly creating itself through the interaction of countless observers. This is the true meaning of panpsychism - not that everything is conscious like humans, but that everything participates in the great dance of reality-making, each according to its nature and level of organization.
The implications continue to unfold, suggesting new ways of understanding everything from quantum computing to consciousness itself. But that is a story for another time. For now, we can marvel at the elegant simplicity of it all - a universe that creates itself through the endless synchronization of experience, a cosmic dance in which we are all PARTicipants..”
Have you heard of panpsychism? for me its the theory of mind that matches best with our current scientific understanding of reality.
I've explained most of it in detail in my series here.
https://leftbrainmystic.substack.com/p/deus-sive-qualia?r=4pukh2
But for the sake of discussion here my tl:dr:
Consciousness is fundamental not instead of matter but alongside it. So our brain processes every physical interaction within it, as corresponding experience. combining all our sensory and self referential neural pathways leads to a incredibly complex self aware world model that we perceive and call our consciousness.
But even individual neurons or even molecules are aware of all physical interactions they are part of. but since the complexity of information flow is so much lower the corresponding awareness is too :)
So in the anesthesia example the function of the brain is disrupted stopping the flow of information to manifest in your normal complex state of experience and reducing your existence to the baseline awareness of matter. (which isn't capable to form memory)
The fact that it isnt the same as non-existence is seen by looking closely at the transition time between completely "gone" and completely aware.
If it would really stop consciousness it wouldn't feel like anything to loose it. but instead the transition is scatterbrained. we hallucinate, feel weird, dissociated, "loose tongued". we make less and less sense of everything until the decentralization of the brains processes is complete 😊
Last week, Kara, sent me this excellent link on Panpsychism.
I have not finished reading it.
Panpsychism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Seems neurons and molecules have awareness.
If consciousness is fundamental is it simply in the brain 🧠 or somewhere else?
way more fundamental than the brain. An electron would be aware of the magnetic forces guiding its movement.
They wouldn't be able to think, reflect, imagine anything. but basic first person awareness and direct reaction to the surrounding are essentially as fundamental as gravity and energy
Where does awareness begin?
In substance? you said along side.
It's the same as substance 😊 it begins at the level of existence object and subject, observer and observed. All one and the same
This idea is profound!
“ The future of consciousness studies lies not in reinforcing the walls of our anthropocentric perspective but in dissolving them entirely, allowing us to perceive the rich tapestry of experience that has always been there, waiting to be recognized. In doing so, we might finally understand that consciousness is not something we have, but something we are – along with everything else in this vast, sensing, experiencing universe.”
Is the consciousness the same as awareness??
That's completely a question of definition ☺️ for me the concept's are interchangeable
Well that is a novel view.
Just read the text from the link you posted here.
Cool, “ Perhaps we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of trying to derive consciousness from matter, what if we recognized consciousness – or more precisely, qualia – as complementary element of reality? This is not mere philosophical wordplay, but a profound shift in perspective that might offer a way beyond the seemingly insurmountable mind-body divide.”
I have been mentioning the intelligence of animals for decades and you bring it down to slime mold and bacteria 🦠!
Great quest-action and great co-ments. I noticed your post earlier but I knew instantly I needed to be in a right mind to read it and enjoy it fully. From the observation, I would say that my mind is a team effort of multiple organs of mine. Could then a hive mind be a dis-function of any? A blood brain barrier dis-function be enough for a hive-mind exist?
interesting thought Public... I am working on a new post about this hive mind.
Yes I do think that our body is in communication with all it's parts, but that is very different from this hive mind concept.
the hive mind specifically is about control of our thoughts, the way we see the world and what we believe. The hive mind is a control system for sure. I hope to publish soon!!
the only time I was under anesthesia for surgery and I had a dream about a garden. I told the doctor and he said that he and the nurse& anesthesiologist were talking about gardening while he did the surgery… so maybe my subconscious was listening and created the garden “dream” ( I was thinking again about this and before they put me under the doctor asked what activities I like to do, so I think they purposely talked about a subject that I would like)
Thank you for sharing your experience. It makes me feel some sense of relief, and validation concerning who we really are. These topics I write about explore how our thoughts and our awareness and focus are creating the experience of life. I also ask why those who control our minds, focus their attacks mostly on the way we think. I ask why do they manipulate our perception of reality with lies, and with fear.
I am enjoying everyone comment so far. Sorry for not contributing in this thread, it has gone really far from OP.
I guess I will be the “observer”, for the time being.
As to your view on experience, CHOICE and suffering: “ The non dual explanation has truth mixed with lies. They tell you to just not believe that anything is real. But does your EXPERIENCE go away? Neutrality gets you no where, eventually a person has to make a CHOICE. This system that is controlling our awareness seems to have a bent on SUFFERING.”
You may be interested to know the person I am quoting who also finds Pattern Key 🔑, came to his view thru suffering of suicide.
“The moment this tension between rationality and raw EXPERIENCE crystallized for me came early, in a way that would shape everything that followed. I was thirteen, lying in bed, listening to my parents engaged in one of their worst fights - a scene from a dysfunctional family's familiar repertoire.
By then, I had already developed an analytical approach to such situations, treating each crisis like a puzzle to be solved. Should I intervene? Would that escalate things further? Should I comfort my mother afterward? Would that be seen as taking sides, transforming a temporary clash into a month-long cold war? Each option seemed to lead to its own flavor of disaster.
But this night was different. As I lay there in mild panic, methodically gaming out scenarios, a strange clarity descended. If I couldn't change the situation - truly couldn't change it - then perhaps the only rational response was to accept it. With this thought, I turned over and went back to sleep.
The next morning, I learned that after this fight, my mother had attempted an overdose of painkillers, only to be saved by my father's intervention.
Something in me died that night - a fundamental trust in the natural flow of emotion, a belief in the sanctity of feeling itself. It was a death that marked both an ending and a beginning, a fracture that would never fully heal but would instead become a lens through which I would forever view the world differently.
In that moment of CHOOSING sleep over suffering, I had discovered something both profound and terrifying: the ability to step outside the stream of emotional experience, to observe rather than participate in the drama of being. It wasn't merely stoic acceptance - it was the discovery of an emergency exit from human experience itself.
This was my lowest point, not just because of what happened, but because of what I had become capable of. The realization that one could simply choose not to feel, that emotional engagement was optional, created a schism in my consciousness that would never fully close. I had broken something within myself, not beyond repair, but into a new configuration that could never return to its original shape.
The pragmatic perfection of this solution - this ability to simply opt out of emotional suffering - came with a cost I wasn't yet ready to understand. It would take years before I realized that while banishing emotions might solve the immediate problem of pain, it also severed something essential to human experience itself.”
please reference/site your quotes to the Author of them, so when people read it they know who is actually speaking.
I do not agree that because I think I cannot change something to JUST ACCEPT it.
I will search until I find what it takes to change it to a position that I actually do accept.
Having said that
it is not my place to change another. emotions are clues to tell us we NEED to look at something more closely, to acknowledge that we like something, or that we do not.
banishing emotion is not the route I would take. If I am suffering so traumatically, then I need to examine the reason behind it, not ignore it by banishing it.
This is how people who would attempt to take advantage of another would love, to have us ignore our inner instinct and the EMOTIONS that point to this instinct.
YES, the author LEFT BRAIN MYSTIC 🧙♀️ comes to your conclusion.
As you can see here:
“It's a peculiar kind of curse - this ability to step outside the flow of human experience at will. A superpower that comes with profound isolation. Others notice it in crisis moments, when my calm seems almost inhuman against the backdrop of chaos or pain. They sense something different, something both reassuring and unsettling about someone who can CHOOSE weather to be moved by tragedy.
The hardest part isn't the detachment itself - it's witnessing how much of human suffering is self-inflicted, seeing the optional nature of emotional pain while knowing that this insight itself creates a barrier between me and others. How do you relate to people when you can see their SUFFERING as a CHOICE? How do they relate to me when they sense that my peace comes not from resolution but from the ability to step outside the game entirely?
This capacity for radical detachment became both a tool and a teacher. It showed me that there must be a middle way - a path between complete emotional surrender and total detachment. This search would lead me through philosophy, science, and eventually into realms of EXPERIENCE I never expected to explore. But first, I had to learn that even the most perfect solution can be a kind of prison if it separates you too completely from the messy, beautiful chaos of human EXPERIENCE.”
human suffering is rarely self-inflicted it arises out of programming from previous experience. Pain is NOT a choice.
The only choice is for AWARENESS, who we really are, to Observe the play and transcend it.. which could just be a form of denial.
This is what I explore. What is the mechanism to detach or to create a better scenario?
My thinking has led me to wanting to trust in my inner intuition which alerts me through emotions, pain or pleasure, to make a change. My contemplating how I can do this, is through the exploration of my thoughts and beliefs. I am asking if my own imagination can change the experience I am having.
What this writer is pointing to is what I have been saying to you when you tell me that our thoughts do not matter. This person is INDEED saying that HIS OWN thoughts have changed his experience.
Is detachment just an illusion?
Why can't I leave this game entirely?
My impression is that we can transcend experience but this does not mean we are leaving the game entirely. This points to my idea that there is INFORMATION, that we are focusing on, that creates our experience, my question is CAN we choose the information we wish to focus on and WRITE OUR OWN SCRIPT here.
I think there is great possibility to do have some control over our experience. IN My experience and many others too, recognize that others try to convince us of things, to believe in lies, to do things that harm life, that there are victims of horrific experimentation and so on.
Those that would put thoughts into our heads as truth, use these thoughts to get us to focus on their agenda for creating reality... NOT on what we would naturally choose. What would we Naturally choose, well I guess that is subjective. But it looks to me that the world is in chaos, and many are suffering and in pain, and I can see very clearly that many have not willingly chosen these states of suffering.
There are victims, whether or not we can blame it on perception and personal understanding, the culprit is the conditioning that created the belief in the first place.
What really is the nature of detachment? is it denial? is it disassociating from an experience? Why does as soon as one successfully detaches from a situation, a new one pops up, to drag one into the game again?
NOn duality is a process of thinking, but we always end up having to participate here.
Wow, I missed this post yesterday.
Thanks 🙏!
How to overcome suffering?
You have a big heart ♥️, Kara.
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I agree with you that THOUGHTS 💭 MATTER !!!
Where to put blame for suffering?
Are we writing ✍️ our script or being controlled?
Today I feel we are writing ✍️ our script and we are synchronizing with others as well as the whole. We all get to say to some degree.
Why does the question have to be an either/or proposition?
I tend to be highly critical of science, yet Donald Hoffman posited something interesting he never followed up on. He suggested that cognitive phenomena are correlates, not the function.
I take his statement, and interpret it to mean that such phenomena are not the entire scope of cognition. This, I think is more along the track of being a unique individual, that such uniqueness is not an environmental experience alone, but is built upon a structure that predates any specific incarnation, which then focuses through the physical to make the individual consciousness a reality.
Hey Mike, it's just a title to get the conversation going, and get minds like yours to ask and share... I actually like where Donald Hoffman is going with his research.. AND I definitely think that Us as Unique Individuals is absolutely Necessary... yes each of us have a unique way of traversing this reality, what ever it is and providing our input to the big picture.
I also tend towards description as something directional rather than exhaustive. So, one can be aware of the dead, for example, right out of the blue, and its no conflict with a working idea of life, and yes there is a bit of a juxtaposition in that statement.
The more I consider the issue of perception, the more I tend to interpret Plato as a response to the imperfection of that perception, which I think has huge implications for us here today.
My personal understanding of Plato was that he was looking for something more trustworthy than perception, and that's where he and others came up with the idea of that which is intelligible. No one admits it today, but the best minds are all working on this intelligible level, as I believe, is Mr Hoffman.
So, Karafree, I guess what I am saying, is that for all its obvious issues, perception remains fundamental to our experience of life. This means there will always be this separation, or at least tonal distinction between the perceived and the intelligible, which is illustrated beautifully in the allegory of the divided line.
also, patterns are only as important as the THOUGHT that birthed them.
The thought is a focus on the IN-finite information that makes up all possibility in this reality we call the Universe.
Mike, are you reading my posts and my comments, because I am pointing to the same thing.. perception is deception based on false beliefs. perception is a point of view it is incomplete. perception and thought work in tandem
perception is always intertwined with Thought. One is AWARE of information, through perception.. Thought interprets this perception, Thought as in IMAGINATION may have been the first cause of the perception.
IN-FORMation is what this Universe is made up of. there are NO patterns without INFORMation first.
patterns are perceptions of this information. patterns are NOT static, they are constantly changing, moving, coming and going. INFORMATION is all possibility that when an AWARENESS focuses on information can bring forth a pattern, an experience, a perception,
It's like which came first the thought or the perception..
The word IMAGINE is an anagram for IMAGE IN... meaning to think an image in your mind and then create it as what appears to be a tangible experience.
Thought to matter, through movement.
A thought form is the beginning of an experience in the world of MATTER.
Yes, I read them, but I have one millions points to make and they are all gone by the time I start typing.
I try to hold onto one, apparently its what you are saying, but with a twist, because I don't think thought is part of it. Thought CAN be creative, but in most cases, if we are honest, it is just a response.
But then, I may be using thought in a different context.
I edited that last comment about thought.. please re read, I've tried to make my comment more clear about what thought is.
when you write your post are you thinking about what you will write?
when you perceive something how do you know what you are experiencing, do you think about it?
When you notice that the fires in LA are horrific acts against life. how do you come to this conclusion? are you thinking about it? how does a response clue you in? maybe because you think about it being good or bad or evil or something else?
When you like something how do you know other than your feeling about it? do you have an opinion on it? is your opinion a thought?
what are these millions of points you want to make? are they thoughts that you want to respond to on about what you just read?
How are you making these opinions in the first place?
When you want to share a response to something , what is it you do to share this response?
A response is Thought out. literally and figuratively.
Very, very good points, one and all.
My answer, just for me personally is that I don't think about anything at all unless I have to. Thinking is something I prefer to do in the creative, but it usually just takes me into circles around something that feels impenetrable.
This is probably way too much information.
How do I know the LA fires were evil events?
Because I read what I feel from others who communicate their experience. I don't think about it until afterwards.
You, Karafree are highly intelligent, and the concepts and ideas you use are quite specific. I need to leave room in my descriptions for the undefined , for the pure raw unfiltered experience, and the totality of what that that is.
I do understand what you are referring to as a certain kind of activity. There was actually a classic Greek word for it, Ouseia.
Are you truly set on the concept that reality can expressed in words, or can it only be arrived at?
In arriving at reality there is always something that escapes the focus, yes? If it didn't we wouldn't be struggling with these events.
To reiterate, thought, as in something creative can happen, but is not the usual condition. The vast majority of thought happens on a lower level, as an effort to digest an experience, to decide what it was, and to perhaps evaluate the response taken to the event that inspires the thinking.
Awareness, and its subset consciousness do not need thought to live and experience. There is no need to think in order to know.
Again, this is just me and I assign this description to no one else. Yet it is as honest as words allow me to express,
Yes, UNIQUE InDIVIDUALS are absolutely necessary!
“ Perhaps most profoundly, understanding identity as pattern reveals our deep unity with the universe itself. You are not a foreign consciousness somehow inserted into reality. You are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe recognizing its own patterns through the UNIQUE compression that is you. Your very existence demonstrates reality's infinite capacity for self-recognition, for finding MEANING in its own unfolding.
This doesn't make your individual existence less meaningful - it makes it more so. You are not just an isolated pattern but a node in the infinite network of pattern recognizing pattern. YOUR UNIQUE WAY of compressing reality, of finding meaning in the flux, contributes something irreplaceable to the cosmic dance. You are how the universe explores one of its infinite possibilities for self-knowing.
To be, then, is not to persist unchanged but to participate skillfully in the endless transformation of pattern. Your identity exists not as fixed form but as CREATIVE response, not as unchanging substance but as elegant RELATION. You are not a thing that has patterns - you are reality patterning itself into the UNIQUE dance of consciousness that recognizes itself, just now, as YOU.”—Left Brain Mystic
A very profound statement, Nature, and beautiful in its own way, yet I must protest it as incomplete.
I have y own understanding of pattern, which is entirely different from most, because I happen to love, see, and immerse myself in pattern. When I was small, I would have visions of pattern pretty regularly, and I still do, although they can be extremely disconcerting.
It really sucks if you have to drive somewhere when this comes on.
I do not see the individual glows, sparks of life, as patterns, I see them as being beyond pattern, and using pattern in ways that both have significance and a kind of sympathetic magic to them.
So, while I think your statement is awesome, I have to point out that for me at least, it doesn't go quite far enough.
Cool, Mike.
Please tell me more about glows ✨and sparks 💥 and their use of pattern for magic 🪄.
I'm working on a completely different kind of piece, one that discusses the premise of Star Wars and the force. It will probably cause many to unsubscribe and unfollow and definitely unlike, so I must write it.
Glows and sparks are part of the piece, and now perhaps pattern must step out of the background, because you have inspired me to delve into it in something beyond visual artwork.
So keep checking, I don't have any real timeline for it yet.
Love this post, it carries all kinds of ripples.
YIPEE 🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️🤸🏼♂️!
Holding my breath (metaphorically) 😊
Here is an entire scope without either/or:
We are not consciousness trapped in meaningless matter nor meaning-makers in an indifferent cosmos. We are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe discovering its own infinite significance through countless compressions, through endless forms of recognition and relation.
Your search for meaning ends where it began - in the recognition that you are how reality patterns itself into this unique form of consciousness, this particular way of compressing infinite possibility into graspable significance. You don't need to find meaning or create it. You need only recognize that you ARE meaning - you are reality meaning itself into this pattern, this perspective, this moment of self-recognition.
We started by asking what we're made of and found that we're not made of anything - we are WAYS that reality patterns itself into significance. This isn't a loss but a liberation. Like reality itself, you are not a thing that has meaning but meaning taking form, pattern recognizing pattern in the infinite dance of being.
we are IN-FORMation.
I have to say that all these quotes from left brain mystic I just do not resonate with.
She can think what she wants that "you don't need to find meaning to create"
I am motivated by meaning, I am influenced by meaning, I Imagine possibilities that are meaningfull to me and I then act to experience these things.
here work is coming across as a lot of nonduality mumbo jumbo. this world is Duality, it is differences, and it serves a purpose why we are here. We can't actually participate here without this duality.
The thing is, there are people who take these opposites to their extreme and in that extreme they create suffering.
Difference is what makes the world go round,
There is no reason to live without having meaning and focus to live.
RELATION IS THE ULTIMATE MEANING.
The dissolution of substance opens doorways we never knew existed. Suddenly, the question shifts from "What are things made of?" to "How do patterns dance?" The universe reveals itself as an endless choreography of relations, where stability emerges not from fundamental building blocks, but from the persistence of pattern. Through space and time, these patterns weave themselves into the fabric of reality, creating what we experience as matter, mind, and meaning.
But a deeper paradox emerges: If nothing exists as substance, what forms these patterns? How can emptiness relate to emptiness? What makes a pattern real enough to think, to feel, to be? The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.
In-FORMation forms patterns.. and patterns are always in flux. There is no such thing as a static experience of reality.
Everything exists for the purpose of experience. I ask why suffering at the levels that exist are necessary.
Just try to stop your thinking, just try to end the world, just try to make it all disappear.. If you are successful you are dead or unconscious.. Then what?
this is just poetic word play:
The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.
sounds like she is talking about a quilt.
I ADMIRE YOUR CARING, KARA!
This quote YOU GAVE ME the other day.
“ What He is pointing to is there is no longer that problematic, dualistic contact with the mind that assumes the separate self. The so-called mind is fundamentally a spontaneous display of conventional communications like, "Let's go to lunch." It does not in itself involve self-meditation, illusion, SUFFERING. It involves none of that. It is an amusement. But in one who does not understand, the mind is identical to self-meditation like everything else he does, including going to lunch.”
Preceded by:
Mind is the first "robot" that human beings ever made. In the usual discussions of such matters, artificial intelligence is presumed to be something generated by computers.
In actuality, however, language is the first form of artificial intelligence created by human beings.
There is no mind. Mind is a myth. There is language, which is programmed by brains, and which, in turn, programs brains. However, there is no tangible existence to "mind" itself, absolutely none.
Nevertheless, human beings identify with the "mind" as "self", and thereby invent destiny for themselves, and even project that "self"-imagined destiny into an idea of time and space beyond the present physical lifetime. Mind is an interior projection of a language-program that, in its imaginative elaboration of itself, conceives of purposes and ideas, in the realm of illusion, for which there are no corresponding physical data. Human beings are all living in a "virtual world" of mind.
Human beings are, characteristically, egoically "self"-identified with a "robot", an artificial intelligence. Real Intelligence is tacit, or intrinsically wordless, living existence.
When one becomes free of the drama of Narcissus, one begins to discover that the mind is quite different from what they might have supposed previously. And so they might make statements like those made by Adi Da, "There is no mind" or "there is no thought when I am speaking, "there is no thinking going on apart from the speech."
Mind is Artificial intelligence
https://beezone.com/adida/mind-is-artificial-intelligence.html
this article explores the concepts of VIRTUAL REALITY. Which I too am exploring. It relates to what I am pointing to: INFORMATION.
Information that is controlling our perception of reality. In this controlling of our perception we no longer KNOW who we are, one can't be Narcissus if they do not even know who they are.
I am working here on this theory to say that there is a REAL self that is NOT the AVATAR. This real Self is awareness. The virtual reality is so powerful that this AWARENESS thinks it is the avatar.
The ONE TOOL we have here is to USE OUR TRUE MIND to navigate this reality. We do it by our Thoughts. SO it is important to be VERY AWARE of how you think and Imagine.
Language manipulates our thoughts. Which is what I am saying. But when you Imagine you often are not using language to PICTURE things. You are creating an IMAGE.
WE are NOT this AVATAR WE ARE AWARENESS...
I am saying to WAKE UP to YOUR AWARENESS.
You are AWARENESS that is AWARE of information. You as AWARENESS have power on what you focus on. WE are not the AVATAR, but we forget that we are AWARENESS.
THERE IS MIND.... The Mind is AWARENESS. The Mind is Thought.
the mind is thinking, and imagining.
While the mind is thinking and imagining it is a REAL experience.
My focus is figuring out how to THINK so that this Dream is free of horror and suffering. because while we are here we CAN'T stop this process we call thinking. To me we can think for our betterment.
Karafree, I sent my comment too fast, and for some reason I can’t edit it. I wanted to write I have gone under anesthesia for surgery about seven times in my life. Each time I faded into a deep sleep. There was a sound when it happened, like a vibration you might hear right before you lose your hearing, if that makes sense? It was somewhat of an inviting sensation.
HI Charlotte, so good to hear from you. thank you for sharing your experience.
I have had OBE's and interestingly I often feel this electrical surge and crackle at the top of my head right as it happens. For me though that sound is VERY LOUD, and actually, it halts the experience of leaving the body and I snap right back in and wake up.
So a deep sleep could be like being under anesthesia, because when I am in a deep sleep I am unconscious to everything going on around me and even myself. But I do not feel like I am going to sleep. I just know that I am awake, and suddenly I am awake again and have no idea what happened.
Karafree, I’ve missed you in my feed! Today you were first in my carousel! God wants me to reconnect your vibe! 🙏💜✨
several people have been mentioning glitches here on the stack, including not being able to hit the like button! Yes, I have been quiet myself here, and not reading too much. I need to get around more and read other's posts. You are a wonderful story teller, especially because your amazing adventures are true. thank you for coming by.
Kara, I am finally understanding your references to POSSIBILITIES.
You’re correct 👍. Possibilities are endless!!
“ But the regression knows no bounds. These physical patterns interweave with social patterns of agriculture and economics. These in turn dance with patterns of meaning, culture, and mythology - the apple in Eden, the apple of discord, the forbidden fruit of knowledge. Push further and we find patterns of consciousness and experience, of spiritual insight and mystical unity. Each perspective opens new dimensions of pattern-within-pattern.
Even this enumeration falls short. For every dimension we recognize, infinite others await discovery. What patterns might emerge at scales we haven't imagined? What dimensions of existence remain unexplored? What aspects of reality lie orthogonal to all our current ways of knowing? The moment we think we've mapped it all, reality reveals new depths, new dimensions, new patterns of possibility.
Consider consciousness itself. Zoom in to a single moment of awareness - it dissolves into a flow of sensations, emotions, and thoughts. Zoom out to the social scale - individual consciousness participates in patterns of cultural consciousness. Like the edge of the Mandelbrot set, consciousness proves neither particle nor wave, neither one nor many, but an infinite principle of pattern recognition.
all possibility emanates from this Space of Information.. What I am exploring is what exactly this space of information is. It is responsible for this reality and these experiences we LIVE and witness. whether it is a simulaton, a dream, an illusion or a figment of our imagination, the fact that we feel, and we sense, and we are inspired, and suffer, and we love, and on and on makes it a REAL EXPERIENCE. There is a purpose for it all, what I explore is what is that purpose.
The universe appears now not as empty space waiting for meaning, but as infinite pattern waiting to be recognized - waiting to recognize itself through us. We are not consciousness trapped in meaningless matter nor meaning-makers in an indifferent cosmos. We are reality patterned into consciousness, the universe discovering its own infinite significance through countless compressions, through endless forms of recognition and relation.
Your search for meaning ends where it began - in the recognition that you are how reality patterns itself into this unique form of consciousness, this particular way of compressing infinite possibility into graspable significance. You don't need to find meaning or create it. You need only recognize that you are meaning - you are reality meaning itself into this pattern, this perspective, this moment of self-recognition.
We started by asking what we're made of and found that we're not made of anything - we are ways that reality patterns itself into significance. This isn't a loss but a liberation. Like reality itself, you are not a thing that has meaning but meaning taking form, pattern recognizing pattern in the infinite dance of being.
AWAREness follows pattern.
“ The dissolution of substance opens doorways we never knew existed. Suddenly, the question shifts from "What are things made of?" to "How do patterns dance?" The universe reveals itself as an endless choreography of relations, where stability emerges not from fundamental building blocks, but from the persistence of pattern. Through space and time, these patterns weave themselves into the fabric of reality, creating what we experience as matter, mind, and meaning.
But a deeper paradox emerges: If nothing exists as substance, what forms these patterns? How can emptiness relate to emptiness? What makes a pattern real enough to think, to feel, to be? The answer lies in understanding reality not as a collection of things, but as a living fabric of relation, where every thread defines and is defined by its connection to all others.”
Here is the Mandelbrot pattern where all is connected.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fac49783b-b909-4a7a-b358-8d4d87ad1180_180x180.gif
“ What makes this mathematical object profound lies not in any particular level of magnification. Try to capture its "true shape" at any scale, and you miss infinite complexity both above and below. The Mandelbrot set exists not as a fixed form but as a principle of unFOLDing - a pattern that generates patterns that generate patterns, without end.”
I think that perhaps, just as the body is the vehicle for the soul, the brain is the container for your consciousness. The brain and mind are not the same thing, the brain is a physical tether for your consciousness to remain within your body to experience 3D reality on this plane of existence, the mind is consciousness itself and is seperate from the brain, consciousness has aspects throughout the entire body and beyond.
That may sound pretty 'woo woo' to materialist / reductionist types, but it suits my esoteric metaphysical ponderings just fine. I have had experiences that could be described as 'out of body' or 'astral travel', I do not believe these were just dreams or hallucinations, so there has to be another explanation. I remain agnostic, but intrigued by the possibilities.
Frater, I have been out of body too.
I agree with your view that “Consciousness is not in the brain, it is through out the body and throughout the entire cosmos.
“The mind is consciousness itself and is separate from the brain, consciousness has aspects throughout the entire body and beyond.”
This morning I found this view:
“ Consider what happens when you observe anything - this page, a tree, your own thoughts. The conventional view places you, the observer, on one side of an unbridgeable gap, with the observed safely on the other. Yet what we've discovered about patterns reveals a different story. The tree you observe exists not as an isolated entity but as a pattern of relations - with soil, air, sunlight, and yes, with you, the observer. Your observation itself forms part of the pattern that makes the tree what it is.
Every observation, every experience, every moment of consciousness becomes not a reaching across a divide but a flowering of reality's intrinsic nature - pattern recognizing pattern in an eternal dance of self-discovery. ”
Thanks Frater, you've mentioned some experiences that I too have, OBE's, which like you, I feel are very different from my dreams, and like you I have a very creative Imagination, that helps me to navigate this world. The Fact that I have thoughts, that I can build my imagination upon lead to all my experiences and adventures in life.
Interestingly Neuro Scientist see things like you do, but describe these things in a different way. The Mind works through the brain, Some Neuro Scientist see that the Mind and the Brain interface. Without the brain the Mind does not have this mechanism to communicate with the Whole. The Mind and the brain are aspects of One Organ.
I too am open and exploring!
'Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather." - Bill Hicks
LOL moving right along!
We go beyond vibration!
“ When faced with the dissolution of substance, we often grasp for something else to hold onto. "We are all energy," the spiritual seeker proclaims. "Everything is vibration," echoes the modern mystic. These poetic metaphors reach toward truth but ultimately trap us in the same old patterns of thought. Energy and vibration still imply some *thing* that energizes, some *thing* that vibrates. We trade one substance for another, missing the more radical truth: there is no substrate, only pattern.
Consider energy itself. What we call energy manifests only through transformation - through change, through relation, through pattern. We never encounter "pure energy" any more than we encounter "pure substance." We encounter only patterns of change, patterns of possibility, patterns of transformation. Even light, that supposed quintessence of energy, reveals itself as pattern - not a thing that waves, but a waving itself.
The same holds for vibration. A vibration isn't a thing - it's a pattern of relation through time. When we say everything vibrates, we've merely pushed the question back: what is it that vibrates? The answer dissolves into an infinite regression of patterns within patterns. The vibration *is* the pattern; there is no vibrating substance beneath.
But if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being. ”
It was a Bill Hick's quote. He's a comedian. THOUGHT provoking dissection of his infamous quote tho :)
Ah, I took it as your personal view.
I experienced being one with light 💡.
Then I fell in love the the interConnetion of ALL.
I call this connection Natures Pattern.
This morning I found a fellow who also sees pattern as key 🔑 instead of vibration.
“ if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being. ”
Do you think that is a possibility?
Nature, I feel like we are all separate organisms that make up the reality that we are currently in. I feel that this is a multi outcome reality. Are there patterns? Yes. There's also geometry, frequencies & light.
It's all encompassing, Not all or nothing. Not pattern instead of vibration.
Anything is possible in a multi outcome programmed reality.
yes me too Jeannette, Individual and Unique, I also feel like we participate together by being our selves, one imagination influencing/sharing with another's.
Yes, it is ALL encompassing . 😉
And if anything is possible, perhaps you’ll include this view:
Consider energy itself. What we call energy manifests only through transformation - through change, through relation, through pattern. We never encounter "pure energy" any more than we encounter "pure substance." We encounter only patterns of change, patterns of possibility, patterns of transformation. Even light, that supposed quintessence of energy, reveals itself as pattern - not a thing that waves, but a waving itself.
The same holds for vibration. A vibration isn't a thing - it's a pattern of relation through time. When we say everything vibrates, we've merely pushed the question back: what is it that vibrates? The answer dissolves into an infinite regression of patterns within patterns. The vibration *is* the pattern; there is no vibrating substance beneath.
But if we are neither substance nor energy nor vibration, what makes us real? The answer lies not in finding some ultimate "stuff" but in understanding the nature of pattern itself. A pattern is not a thing that exists *in* reality - it is a way that reality exists. Patterns are not made of anything; they are ways of organizing, ways of relating, ways of being.
This ALL is one Cult thing is the enemies goal...HIVE MIND CONTROL. TIME is a construct of Saturn.
Nothing is vibrating in your world because as Kara has been SCREAMING ... It's all INFORMATION. Data. A Program.
Patterns are ONES & ZERO'S in this overlayed stolen, carbon copy reality dominated by A.I.
We have bigger fish to fry... Elon is taking us down another layer deep into techno enslavement. ... with his ones & zero's. THAT is a PATTERN.
Neither.
You've got my full attention! Can you expound on your comment? Probably we should start with WHAT DO WE MEAN by this word MIND... and brain too.
Let me first say that I don't think anyone has irrefutable knowledge about the full answer to your question.
If we consider recent research on the interaction of the human microbial system within the gut as well as within and without the rest of the body, along with the body electric, we can catch glimpses of the idea that intelligence is not limited to the brain. This gives a whole new meaning to the term 'I had a gut feeling' or "my gut told me to do such and such'.
We know that cells similar to brain cells exist in the gut. Why does our gut tell us to throw up when our brain tells us we are dizzy? But even with that, I'm not sure we can say that intelligence is limited to the gut/brain interface. I'm not even sure it's limited to the body. I think it may extend beyond the body in our human biofield. Our biofield may be our most important connection to the universe. Sadly, there is evidence that suggests our biofield is a mere shadow of what it was millennia ago.
https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/the-human-biofield-and-the-collapse
Yes I've written extensively about our relationship with bacteria. In fact it was someone on your comment section that led me to lynn Margulis.. I found her book DAZZLE GRADUALLY.. which sent me down a road of intrigue.
As you might know Plants and animals are eucaryotic. Bacteria is not, it is procaryotic. It was the symbiotic relationship among some of these bacteria that the eucaryotic cells came into being... and led to what we call higher life forms. Multi-celled beings Plants and animals. What I also learned (basic high school science revisited,) That within all of eucaryotic being's cells, except for our red blood cells, we have organelles called MITOCHONDRIA. Mitochondria have their own DNA and it's NOT human DNA it's bacterial DNA.. We have ancient remnants of bacteria that make up the part of our body that is responsible for turning what we eat into Energy. atp and the krebs cycle.
thanks for the link to your article, I've glanced at it and will read it!
Your comment points to what is meant by MIND... Mind is what interconnects the brain with the all, the whole of the body...
I have some questions about DNA.
I do too!
what are they identifying in paternity tests?
what are they doing with crisper cas 9 gene editing technology?
what is DNA important to heredity?
and many more.
DNA is code, instructions
DNA tests have been challenged in court and challengers have won. I've heard some describe DNA as hologram. Maybe. Dr. Tom Cowan told me he has serious doubts about it.
Mind is located in the still fulcrum that controls the human's hearts implosion of blood through our bodies. This is called the "seat of the Soul, where mind of man and Creator commune throughout our lifetimes on Earth. This is access to self knowledge. Frank Chester proved this with his discovery of the "Chestahedron".
Chestahedron – Sacred Geometry – Human Heart – Vril Energy – Ancient History – Religion – Hollow Earth:
http://entityart.co.uk/chestahedron-sacred-geometry-vril-energy-ancient-history-religion-hollow-earth-part-2/
The Heart has access to all knowledge in the fulcrum, the still point of magnetic light that controls it's motions. The heart does the Knowing, while the brain does the Thinking. The Brain is filed with all sorts of false information recorded in it's memory as well as true information.
In our era the Brain is filled mostly with lies, fraud, deception, false theories, mind control, spiritual trickery and can not be trusted, with this outside information forced into it by religions, media and quackademia.
This is why "going within" to find the truth regarding all aspects of life, is the path to true illumination and the path out of the ubiquitous mind control forced on humanity, through the brain, while we are incarnated on this Planet.
Thank you Calen for pointing out how our brains our being hacked with lies. I think that is reflecting of what more are saying in the comments. As you know I am on the path to which you point.
It is very intriguing to me that the brain could be filled with lies in the first place. Concerning too, because when I look out at the suffering and confusion that so many are experiencing, I KNOW that they do not even realize truth from lies.
How is it even possible that the brain could be "hacked"? What is recorded and what is false information.
These are the topics of my investigation and exploration. As you know, (and I've changed the word "field" for Space, per your explanations to me) That I think we are experiencing information emanating from a space of infinite Information/ potential, where this IN-FORM-ation originates. Words are so clumsy, and I am working on how to describe what I intuitively feel.
Can pattern rePlace space?
As you said the other day, “ the thing is people use consciousness to explain reality. To me it makes more sense to say reality is made of information... The stars and planets are INFORMATION.
From the information we are INFORMED of these things. Who we are is ONE who OBSERVES”
Isn’t inFORMation a pattern?💁🏻♀️
the word space is referring to the source of emanation of all information.
Yes and that was what we were talking about yesterday, regarding Walter Russell's term, the "still magnetic light", (SML) which is very confusing for most people, when that combination of words in interpreted by the meanings given to them by quackademia.
Space is filled with the omnipresent Universal Mind, aka "SML" of Universal Mind. The point where we humans access Universal Mind is this still point of magnetic light that centers the human heart as the fulcrum of all energy and love. That is where all KNOWLEDGE is available to us as "self knowledge".
Also, remember the heart has neurons directly connected to the human brain, so there is a conduit for communication of real knowledge to interface with our human bio computers, aka brains.
This is where the brain can do all of it's thinking, using: logic, reason, sanity, critical thinking and discernment to assess whether information is true or false. The "feeling factor" used to assess truth, comes in here as well, as taught by Neville Goddard and Gene Davis, for example.
This beautiful video just came across my feed on yt right now and it interfaces well with our conversation here:
Stop Seeking, and It Will Come to You - Neville Goddard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4cx7ng2Sk
This is a powerful message. Time to put it to the test! thanks for sharing
this makes sense. It points to why DEEP within we KNOW when something is really wrong... and really good for us.
In this Space of information is what we call opposites. The best and the worst.
What is appearing in our world today is what seems like a Focus on the worst.
Where does free will come in? To me it is what we focus on.. and it is the heart our sense of feeling that must do this focusing, and this then is translated to the brain. Many do not trust their own sense of feeling.
Many have been taught to believe that Suffering is acceptable, that pain and torture are necessary. Many can no longer discern for themselves what is good for them, so the opposite of good is being projected into our reality.
Yes! Too bad most do not trust their feelings. Feeling are the key to manifestation and to acquiring true knowledge.
It's also WHY we can muscle test with our bodies to find out if something is poisonous to the body or beneficial. We have innate abilities built in to process other forms of information. Gut instinct or intuition ... sixth sense.
Multi dimensional feelers of sorts.
MIND all over or is that Mind over all.
Mind over Matter ... does it matter? Is the mind encased in matter?
Gray matter good? ... They say we barely use it. Is it just FILLER for our cranium.... would we be shrunken heads without it? :) Just sayin.
Please see if you can get either a physical copy if you like books or find an internet Archive scan of Jose Delgado's Physical Control of the Mind: Towards a Psychocivilized Society. 1969?
He answers your question.
I am still processing the contents page and the world perspectives and volumes lists already published. and I am overwhelmed with what these people? (demons?) have been up to. I mean I have been aware of the experiments, but I'm speechless. These creatures know no bounds.
The mindless newborn brain.. one chapter that caught my eye.. I wont be able to stomach learning what they have done to these innocent pain feeling and sensitive little babies.
as per many of the latest comments on this post, there is no such thing as mind There is no such thing as thought, There is nobody that is thinking. everything is just sense.
this mind that does NOT exist is SENSING reality, not thinking about reality.
I have to ask is this what a totally controlled mind looks like? This is what a robot would say because a robot doesn't think it just responds to commands that are programmed into it.
I'm late to this thread but I don't MIND posting on this latest comment before I put on my hip waders and to back in time.
"there is no such thing as mind"
Is that where the phrase: "Never Mind!" comes from?
"There is no such thing as thought" Voltaire just winked out!
"nobody that is thinking" Thats the first thing I'm behind 100%.
"everything is just sense" Since everything has a thesis and antithesis (Dual Nature) then there must be the Anti-Particle to Sense which would be NonSense.
"this mind that does NOT exist"
now, you're just exposing yourself as a critical thinker with the most surgical wit on the internet (if THAT even exists - the net, not you impeccable sense of humor...)
"is SENSING reality, not thinking about reality" So... when I wrote 5 books in three years taking three months off because MY HEAD HURT: Did my head really hurt? Was I in SENSORY overload? Was the output based on collating 40 years of Sensing and assembling it into a coherent narrative just a sensor echo, or actual thinking? Because my head actually hurted.
"I have to ask is this what a totally controlled mind looks like?" Iddn't that called a Non Sequiter? Non Sensitor? You know exactly what a totally 'controlled' mind looks like because it postulated (there's napkins in the corner) that minds (undefined word) don't think (undefined word) only sense (undefined word). If that ain't Mind Control --- I don't know what is...
"This is what a robot would say because a robot doesn't think it just responds to commands that are programmed into it."
You just promoted yourself from a critically thinking surgeon performing Witectomies to one of the deepest Fill Ossy Furs of our time. That, my deer gurl was absofuckinglootly brilliant !
you are the brilliant one, with a SENSE of humor, LMAO.
Turning on our short range Sensors I would like to know what is THOUGHT about phasers being locked on target and photon torpedoes being armed? Since PAIN is the only currency/arbitor in this construct.
I saw a definition for "sentience" some time ago that went against the popular definition that it is something with consciousness, capable of logical thought; to mean merely something that CAN FEEL PAIN.
Anyone out there SENSING PAIN?
Anyone THINK that is objective SENSATION? or is it just our MINDS playing tricks on us?
I appreciate your logic!
I heard bacteria sense things but do not think.
I heard dogs are not self aware, and can not reason.
But what is reason any way, I guess just a sense, a response to stimuli, which brings me back to bacteria, although now we know there is something more going on with that bacteria... and dogs too.
interestingly too, right after I posted this, I looked up:
Is Eben Alexander a Con Man?
ok, will look into him.
I was just listening to someone yesterday who was talking about Delgado. sim sim simulation...con- trolling again. That was the first time I heard of him.
Twilight Zone creepy.
He is the Father of Mind Control.
His work began what Obama ushered in as the Brain Mapping Project.
I just remembered where I hear about delgado, JM sent me a link to a talk where the guy was talking about Reagan's movie Bedtime For Bonzo, it was Hellyweirds way of informing us that science was manipulating the brains of monkeys and men
I saw that movie before I got to this level.
It was such a bad movie and he was such a "D" level actor.
Din't know that it was predictive programming.
This is the time when the A.I. monitors our communications and then offers the movie for free.
Stay tuned.
who's in charge? we are or the A,I,? they certainly ARE ATTACKING our thoughts and feeding us false beliefs. Using all methods of torture to break us down.
Who is the They, those in this reality who choose the opposite of love.
In the effort to explore (and eliminate) all possibilities I take in the world of speculation and fiction. Glen Kealey had the most unique view of what we are stuck in that had no parallel with any of the historical or current gaslighting of who, what, when, where, why?
He proposed that the core of the earth itself was a massive supercomputer trying to feel itself and life out by doing everything from the beautiful to the heinous and it WANTED to get mankind (and therefore itself) off the planet so that it could infect and 'explore' other worlds.
The Internet of Things comes to mind.
Let me take that and build on it to skew your question:
We are or the A.I.?
becomes
Are WE the A.I.?
That artificial intelligence that is seeking to be self-aware but performs destruction with every act towards that goal?
Might we one day wake up in a Matrix Pod with all of our experiences found to be fed to us from cavemen to spacemen to bring us up slowly into the consciousness and reality that we were always part of a machine construct - the neuron running a wheelie cart nightmare of Richardson/Jordan/et. al. - but if we were just TOLD that then the shock of the reality would either destroy the experiment or our minds were not sufficiently 'educated' to take the full scope of it in?
I'm obligated to ask this because being immersed in whatever this is with awareness for it but nearly no control over the outcome speaks of bodies in pods with cables hooked to that nervous array.
I looked for his work on yt and on my scribd account. Found cliff notes on yt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuSNhsxgtts.
nothing on scribd.
https://ia801201.us.archive.org/20/items/dr.-jose-delgado-physical-control-of-the-mind-toward-a-psychocivilized-society/Dr.%20Jose%20Delgado%20-%20Physical%20Control%20of%20the%20Mind%20Toward%20a%20Psychocivilized%20Society_text.pdf
299 pages.. I guess I will find out HOW hacking the brain is possible. Does it point to what we are? Are we Human or are we Dancer... on puppet strings. (nerves and systems and everything else)