As I child I asked why would God, creator of life make Living Beings EAT EACH OTHER to stay alive. Why would God demand you know hell before you can know heaven, pain before joy, or hate before love?
Wow. After reading this (twice) and the comments, words fail me. Going to read again and try to unpack when the 4 year old is not so distracting.
On the lighter side you mention animals and nature several times. I have an interesting story kind of related to pain. I planted 3 apple trees from bare root stock 2 winters ago. They thrived in their 1st year holding leaves on new branches well into the winter. Of courses they leaped forward with new growth this spring after I dutifully mulched and pruned them. One tree burst forth with beautiful blossoms and set a dozen apples when I was out of town. It was healthy and spectacular. Of course I dutifully removed the little perfectly formed apples. The tree went into shock and started dropping all its leaves and drying out its new twigs. I thought I’d lose it. So I asked it what the problem was because the other trees were doing good and there was no obvious signs of bugs or fungus. To my surprise the tree responded that I took her children. I have been apologizing for a week now and the die off has stopped and new growth is starting to appear. It also told me it did not like the coax cable over its canopy (it’s a mid dwarf tree). Bizarre huh?
Your experience brought tears to my eyes. I see it as confirmation of what we really are: LIFE and LOVE, and that pain and suffering were NEVER part of the Original Plan. Thank you for sharing. It may be also that it is your own deep message to yourself... Not only do those who try and rule over us hurt us with pain, they keep us from realizing our true potential. They nip us in the bud, so to speak. They want us uniform and subject to their idea of who we should be and how we should act. They implant their ideas in us, and want us to grow "their child" their idea for the their reality. We are all Unique Beings, with our own journey of creative life and living.
Yes. That is so true we are programmed from early on. Things like the apple tree always give me pause. Am I just imagining it because I want it to be true due to my programming or faulty unprogramming bias. Things you have in the back of your mind all your life. Silently questioning because it’s unlikely or rare that anyone else can empathize. Except maybe your dog.
exactly, glad you understood what I was pointing to. What matters is you felt deeply a message in your experience with the tree that sounds like truth to me!
Love it... "except maybe for your dog".. I currently have 6... they are definitely more conscious/conscientious and aware of their environment then most humans. and they LOVE genuinely
Wow, this is a punch in the face brutal real wonderful awful incredible use of the English language!
I'm so grateful for this piece.
I've been lectured so often by sanctimonius asshats...your wounding serves you Mike, you won't heal until you let it go...was just the latest. My honest wish?
I probably shouldn't say, so I won't.
I've known too many who could never heal during their lives. It was literally, truly beyond them. In one particular case a super close friend who was like that visited me after her death. She raised her arms and was lit with incredible colours. She was so beautiful, the sheer remarkable beauty of the soul. I can't forget it to this day.
I won't bullshit anyone about this suffering thing, it just sucks. I've never found it to do anything worthwhile. Maybe it can increase ones tolerance to suffering, but then it just hardens the heart and leads one to develop a black sense of humor. It takes one hell of a lot longer to walk back from this, than to walk into it.
I can only discover one thing in suffering that might be found in no other way, and that is the hopelessness, the meaninglessness, the torture that when faced honestly results in the epiphany so adroitly penned here.
It is exactly this level of devastation that I have stood in too many times, but this is the first thing Ive read that honours the raw experience without the free lecture.
And this, as fucked up as it sounds, is to me the point.
Yes this is exactly what I am pointing to. For millions of years billions of human souls.... Not to mention animal souls... All living beings suffering. What have any of us actually learned? Recently science can show that plants suffer from pain. I can't imagine what a tree being chopped up must go through. There are plenty of beautiful and joyful ways and even challenging ways to experience this material world without needing to go through so much torment. Nature itself is challenging and can be brutal. But those that rule over humanity poisoning us and starving us, imprisoning us, pitting us against each other.. The list goes on has never been about needing to learn lessons
No argument from me about this observation, Karafree.
I suppose everyone wants to imagine that all this shit has some great purpose so that it becomes more bearable, but isn't interesting that the great purpose always comes with a sales pitch?
Gotta wonder about that one. I mean, everyone has to have some money to survive now, which is such bullshit, because it really is just another form of slavery, so I'm just like everyone else in that way, but its one thing to need money, and something else to commodify every fucking thing,
On my subbie I have Gnostic on the header, which sends the Christians into a tizzy.
Well, I won't go too far into my story, except to say the Gnostic view is that there is something fundamentally fucked up about this reality, and its time to stop worshiping it.
I'm not selling anything here. I'm just pointing out that the observation that the world is fucked has been a genuine place for many people over the centuries, so understand that you're not alone.
There is very little if no reality in the socially constructed world. I look to nature to find what is real. When I want to determine the reality in something I ask “what would the squirrel do?” 🐿️ I have no idea why a squirrel 🤣🤷♀️
LOL.. but seriously!! you are looking at a conscious being as far as I know that is not subjected to the mind control, the squirrel. Anyway, like you, I think Nature, whether we are in a simulation, has TRUTH within in it.. To copy the truth and put it into this reality we are experiencing they couldn't delete the truth completely.. Nature is the one place most of us can agree on that it gives us some kind of solace, comfort, rejuvenation, joy, calm... I have written about this in many of my posts! Nature is my Muse!
Even we are commodities. One thing I appreciate about the Gnostics is what they say about Egregores. Thought forms, wanting us all to CONform to their programming, to be a COLLECTIVE, not individuals, not free thinkers, not unique creators and explorers, but HIVEMIND SLAVES.
Whenever we think of something, we have to, in a sense, 3rd person it, right? We have to give whatever it is a kind of a ghost existence, and this takes our attention and our time.
We have so much of this noise around us now that we, at least from what I see, fall for the shadows. I would like to think I'm beyond this, but honestly, I don't think so. I fall for this stupid shit, and most of the time its because the ghosts played me perfectly. Afterwards I look at the sophistication, at the manipulation, at the sheer cruelty of it all and I go, okay, you got me, but you don't have me.
The Thought forms rule. One of the worst of them is "YOU are bringing this upon yourself" You know this, when you describe the manipulation and the sophistication of it. Cruel is putting it lite. Every thing is about stopping us from exploring and learning who we truly are. I have a huge GRIPE with the whole EGO CONcept as well. GET RID of YOUR EGO... is another giant psyop.
I suppose what I should have said is that I don't particularly understand the hypnosis of it, the glue that keeps us fixated. I know its very real. I know when I shake off its control I am much, much freer, but I also feel the power of the fixation, the fascination of it, even as I have no desire to take part.
Ego comes from Freud. I never got Freud. Everyone thinks he was some kind of great genius contributing to mankind. Well, he told Jung he was bringing a plague to America. Do great geniuses bring fucking plagues? I guess if you follow the hypnosis they do.
Epic levels of bullshit.
Freud destroyed ever view of the self except his own. Mr. Plague should be taken out with the trash, because not only is he wrong, he's a disease by his own admission.
Sorry this background is difficult, thanks for letting me know, I always have trouble reading on black backgrounds with white type, so I thought this was pleasing... don't worry about typos (what typos?), your message is completely clear!
Karafree...I don't know what the hell happened to my comments! They just disappeared for some damn reason. Shit!!! Anyway, this was a bold, brave, brilliant punch in the gut to the Cosmos! Why ARE we going through this shit, when most of the shit is DONE TO US by bullies, psychopaths, etc.? Why do we keep coming back to this planet to learn things we've forgot??? Are we duped by demons when we get to that Light and guilted into coming back to this dirtball planet so the psychopaths can keep feeding off our loosh (which they'll never be satisfied)??? Anyway, I'm so glad you wrote this. Maybe this will generate more questions about our "existence", what it really is, what it's really all about. xoxo VP
Thanks for coming by Victory Palace. I think it is so important to examine everything we have been conditioned to believe. Much of it begins so early in life, religion being a key factor in our conditioning. I have my theories which I explore more in my posts. Like you I appreciate Neville Goddard's message about where our power is...IN our own minds and our ability to imagine. This ability to imagine has been controlled by forces so that we create their world and we are slaves to their controls. Just realizing that shines a light on how important our minds are at creating reality. I don't know if we keep coming back, but of course we have been told we do... I think, because I have seen and experienced astonishing beauty here, that through our effort to remain focused in our imaginal acts, we can create once again a better world...
“Then we must consider that we are not coming back to learn lessons, but instead to play in the Theater called life.
Do we get to choose our Character?
Do we get to write our own script?
May we speak or act impromptu?
Or maybe, just maybe life is random, and we just showed up on the scene because of some big bang and ensuing evolutionary unfoldment.
Who are we really?”
Hope Mary’s experience will give you answers.
She says at minute 39: that things are not true that we believe.
We are more than the old meat suit.
She shows how we can alter our state of frequency to clear out the programming from yesterday. To move past fear and anxiety.
At minute 43: she asks why we enjoy playing games like Monopoly. And says because it’s fun. And allows us to learn from our emotions, get a rush and exhilaration that an omnipotent person cannot do.
That uncomfortable situations are to encourage us to overcome our fear of death ☠️.
Teach us not to identify with negativity by using gratitude.
Funny you post this today. I am diligently working on my next post.. Where I talk about the "meat suit" as being Artificial intelligence. Just from the little you mentioned about Mary's NDE, I am not on board with it.. yes we are in a game, a simulation.. but we aren't doing it for the fun of it. I do agree that it is up to US, who we truly are, to overcome the Avatar that we are imprisoned in. and it is through frequency, OUR THOUGHTS are the frequency. I hope you'll check out my next substack.. I am making it into a video, so it can be listened to, I hope to post it in the next few days. Thank you!
Lol.. AI oh my.. I know its nutty, but everything leads me to investigating this. Yuval Harari says humans are hackable. We know those that rule here control our minds and our emotions... Energy in motion or our frequency.
In the book, Harari says that what distinguished Homo sapiens to dominate the world was our ability to create and believe in fiction-- like religions, money, and nations. These shared fictions allowed humans to cooperate on a large scale, thus leading to the formation of complex societies.Aug 7, 2023
Yes. Its all about beLIEf. And most importantly IMAGINATION. But imagination and belief are part of SPIRIT… not the Avatar in which SPIRIT resides. This is what i am looking at and discussing in the next post.
Yes, we could have a beautiful, sparkling clean world run on free energy technologies with abundance and prosperity for all. We could all know that our Creator is Universal Mind as proved through Nature's true Science of the Electric Universe Model of Creation and therefore we no longer need any religions that box us into a fake world. We would all simply commune with the kingdom of heaven within us. Our Creator is always with us in the still point of divine light that centers our very hearts, which we call the "seat of our souls"!
Thank you Kara 🙏"It's questioning and unraveling all the beliefs you dislike, and all the ones you are dearly attached to." Suffering is an internal experience associated with the avoidance of pain. We try to avoid pain but are unable to do so, because of the desire we have to avoid it. Desire is the cause of suffering, as all too often we clutch at desire as a source to end our pain, or at least to provide us with a pleasurable alternative to pain. Pleasure and pain are opposite ends of the same spectrum of experience. They are dualistic opposites. Desire to avoid pain or to grasp at pleasure is a pendulum that swings both ways. We must learn to overcome our lower vibrating consciousness associated with base desire in order to attain to the higher frequencies of higher consciousness, and resonance with our higher self and purpose. Desire, pleasure and pain keeps us rooted in the lower frequencies of consciousness. Whether it's pleasure or pain we cannot have one without the other. You have more questions than answers here Kara, and they're all excellent questions. The truth of the matter is that the answers are found within the questions, the solutions within the problems. This is the process of self exploration that by some trick of fate we find ourselves contemplating. Some may say that fate is what is chosen for us by others and that destiny is what we create ourselves. We get to decide whether to suffer or not, because of the circumstances that we are born into, whilst many do not have a choice but to endure great pain and suffering with little option, as to whether they experience it or not. This is life. We are here to end suffering once and for all, to turn the tables on this topsy turvy world where fate makes victims of us all, by embracing a new vision and destiny for all mankind. We are the lightworkers. We are here to bring light into the world and dispel the darkness. And in order to do this we must confront the ugly truth and still rise above it. We do this by understanding the true nature of suffering, by following a path that leads to its cessation, and in so doing show the way for others that are to follow in our tracks. We save the world one person at a time beginning with ourselves. Believe it or not, the universe is unfolding as it should. We chose to come here for our own growth and learning, to experience both pleasure and pain, in accordance with the path we have chosen, even before we were born. Scepticism is very important, equally to open mindedness. We must each follow our own life lessons and inner guidance, as well as our higher guidance in such matters. Our choice is our own to make, and our consciousness reaps what it sows. I hope that this has been helpful Kara. Much blessings to you🙏🙏🙏
Excellent write, and with lots of pertinent questions. I have long since reckoned suffering (and especially martyrdom) is not only highly over-rated but unnecessary. Mind you, if you look at the Abrahamic religions and their God (self-defined as jealous, partisan, vengeful and with zero-tolerance for disobedience of impossible-to-keep commandments) and then you build a whole (western) civilisation on that paradigm, it's hardly surprising suffering exists - and stories evolve to explain and justify that suffering.
You nailed it!! The religious dogma and the warning that full obedience is required, and that we are sinners who need redemption through suffering and punishment.. AND THE STORIES THAT EVOLVE in order to convince ourselves that this LIE must be true!
Ah, yes the sin-bin thing as well. Another nail in the coffin of truth. {PS: I'm an evangelical christian survivor .... :)) I'll be posting a poem on 'Abraham's Legacy' at some point}
I will be looking for your poem. I think we commented on Perry Greenbaums stack the other day (cat stevens) Oh and on martyrdom... yes I agree, Horrible and torturous suffering only to die in agony while the Oppressors live on and continue in inflicting their madness.
Wow…what a fine effort at the most basic of observational questions. My own thoughts start with the fact that I am not God and did not create myself. Mysteriously I am “here,” not “there” (as Pascal muses). I have no idea why “this” is “this,” or “that” is “that.” Others may not accept my starting assumption that “God,” or “the Creator,” is “perfect.” The only thing a perfect being cannot do is create another, separate, perfect being. “Suffering” seems to be a logical outcome of “imperfection.” I think the randomness of it all is most disturbing as we have “fairness” and “justice” constantly nagging over our shoulders. I believe I understand your frustration, but you won’t eliminate yours or anyone else’s suffering in a cosmic way. There seems to be “something about suffering” that is as elusive as “everything else.” I’m almost 80 and a certain amount of acceptance seems sensible at this stage. I didn’t accept much when I was younger and yet still here I am. I believe (hope) there is more to my existence than this imperfect life. Accept the mystery and do what you can. What else can we do? If we “argue” about it, with whom are we arguing? Best to you and yours.
Thank you for your comment. To some it may appear as if I am coming from a place of whining and complaining and victimhood. That I feel and behave powerless because of this. What I am pointing to is that there is a force in this world the defies every thing beautiful and loving. If we continue to turn a blind eye to this force, if we continue to have no empathy, or remain apathetic, do nothing in view of the horrors and atrocities being dealt on all living beings, ALL LIFE, what can we expect as the final outcome. We have been convinced to keep our sufferings private, to not admit that there are victims, to blame people for their condition and suffering, and in all of this ignorance, we are losing our freedoms as a collective. Many people who would say stop complaining are speaking from a place of privilege, who have likely never truly experienced debilitating and hopeless situations, horrific pain, been through a war, been tortured or raped, or trafficked as a little child. But will point their ignorant finger at a victim and tell them to suck it up and stand up like a man, wipe away their tears and move on. Never addressing the perpetrators who run this world... Sorry for my rant.. I just finished reading a disturbing post right before your comment came in... I do appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. We cannot change what was, acceptance of that is key, or it will haunt you. We can only be aware in the now. You are right it can be hard to pin down exactly what suffering is, as many handle life and it's difficulties differently. My thoughts look into the nature of our Conditioning, why we do NOT stand up against the RULE or AUTHORITY that runs this world, because as children we were told to obey and listen to your Elders, to not question Authority, to just accept that "GOD" had a plan, and your punishment is part of it, as you are a sinner (not you personally) I am here to question all of that! I too feel deep down there is much more to Us then this life, I do feel that truth is being kept from us, unjustly!
I did too as a child. My mother would tell me as a small child that if I wasn’t good, I would go to hell for all eternity to be tortured. I remember laying in bed and thinking of this - I was very young. then I started sleep walking in a nightmare state, go down crying and my parents getting up and sometimes I wouldn’t wake up for maybe 15 minutes. I was talking and crying but i was still asleep. I’ve suffered from acute anxiety disorder and depression all my life and I often wonder if there’s a connection there.
No I don’t either. It’s why I chose Zen Buddhism because you have to believe in a set of values to sustain you. So, Compassion for all Living Beings. Am I a good Buddhist. No! But, at least I’m trying to. I put in the effort. The only solution I can think of as an antidote to all this madness is Silence and Kindness and spending as much time as possible in Nature where even there is a sound, the river, the wind blowing through the trees, the call of a blue jay, a family of chickadees playing over my head and watching the ebb and flow of the water. There is the sound of silence. I thought the other day and then I realized, there is no human noise- no chainsaws, honking horns, leaf blowers. Just nature I was there the other day. I have to take my old bones down to a cliff to get to it, but I just found peace. Rachel Carson calls them the Repeated Refrains of Nature! I have a group of subscribers and you are one of them, that my hope is to write for you. To offer some solace, hope, clarity, anything. I put all my efforts into writing for you all and I love doing it because it gives my life meaning. So thank-you Nature. You are a good soul and it’s important we don’t lose our souls in a soulless society and world. Kind regards Colin
If I were to guess, yes there is a connection. The term is MKUltra'd. Using fear and pain to cause psychological strife. To be told as an impressionable, curious and creative young mind what your fate is if you step out of line, how can that not leave a deep impression. The jesuits claimed:
"Give me the child, and I will mold the man."
"Give me the child for seven years,
and I will give you the man."
To me it has sinister overtones, if you scare the hell out of a child during that most impressionable age, what could possibly go wrong?????
I definitely was affected and I did have a difficult life, but I think the Zen Buddhist Vietnamese monk Thich Nhat Hanh literally saved my life. It gives moments of peace. thank-you for responding. Kind regards Colin
I came to believe a long time ago that you don’t have to know rain to appreciate the sun. I feel like it is the same with pain and pleasure and suffering and peace.
Optimum Conflict (a state of tension between opposing forces) is one of my universal optimum need states. I make the claim that it is a universal need because their is no growth without it. Too much or too little conflict leads to suffering and pain. If this is at all a helpful way to consider it, it demonstrates that pain and suffering are indicators that Conflict is not Optimum…and in my propositions for peace, compromising Optimum Conflict (or any of the ten universal optimum need states) compromises peace.
So right on Kelly!! This is my exact feeling as well, We do NOT NEED the contrast to KNOW one from the other. Intrinsically as children we thrive in the goodness and the joy of exploring the world. To sit in the sun on a breezy day, to play in the sand, we do not need a sudden rain storm to tell us how much joy we felt while playing out on a sunny day. For me there is growth in every experience. I see some are not motivated to experience new things or try something that may seem like a challenge and unless they are threatened or forced in some way may not get up and do something to improve their life. BUT still doesn't mean pain is necessary. The tension part comes in as motivator to do something else. What we resists persists kind of thing. If we do not like something that energy pushes back at us. I think this is what you are pointing to. But do we need wars? Do we need purposeful starvation, do we need poisoning and disease and weakness? Do we need trafficking and slavery and ON and ON, the horror show, that so many write off with excuses that its GOD's plan, that there is a deeper purpose, or even gas lighting like being asked to define evil, as we see little children bombed and bleeding and dying in the streets... whole schools of fish washed up on the shores, flocks of birds falling out of the sky, mountain tops being blown off for granite counter tops, whole forests being decimated, well this list could go on for miles so I will stop here. thank you for your comment
I have given the subject of suffering much thought over the years. I can say unequivocally that suffering is not necessary for growth, not necessary to become a better human being. Not necessary for anything good. Too much suffering can destroy a person.
When people say or justify their suffering as a means or avenue for growth, they are saying or suggesting that they would not have grown otherwise. That the pain, the tears, the cruelty, the scars, the agony--all of it was necessary. This is called an argument from silence.
The assumption made is that this outcome post-facto was ONLY possible through pain and suffering.
Are the argument posits that a path without suffering would not have resulted in equal or greater growth. This is not only unproven and untrue, it is nonesense to the point that the opposite is true. I will go further with this argument. It is not suffering that is required; it is love.
Yes, there is a reason why love songs persist, why love is sought after, why the world needs love. As the song says, love is what the world has too little of.
Love will produce the greatest growth. Not only in humans but also in non-human animals and every species on Earth. There is no such thing as too much love.
But suffering exists even (maybe especially) when we don’t seek it. Of course “love” is better than suffering, but to interact “in the world,” full of fallible humans you will find it and have to deal with it. Whatever “lessons” you learn are genus to the individual experience. Blessings.
Yes, suffering exists in the world, most of it a result of the actions of humans, who are not only the chief purveyors of human suffering but, equally important, of all non-human suffering. No one doubts its existence. But some like me and the author of this piece doubt its benefits. Doubt that it is noble to suffer. Doubt that growth can’t be reached or achieved without the need to suffer.
I so very much appreciate your post.. as a follow up to this one I posted a newer song by Jackson Browne that I just discovered yesterday after posting this essay, and it points to exactly what you conclude with The world needs more love. You have so succinctly stated what I attempted to point to here. Especially when I mention the little children who know intrinsically that suffering is not necessary to learn. Children in fact Thrive in loving environments, when patience, empathy and true and genuine caring is offered in the learning and growing process.
What a horrid lie we have been dealt in so many ways, through education, through religion, through philosophy, through Hate and lies. It will be very hard for most people to accept what is said here because it will cause an existential crisis. Every thing that people build their lives on is often on the foundation of this LIE... Suffering is necessary for learning. Suffering is noble... and so on. thank you for your comment! my next topic will look into the concept of opposites.. How can we KNOW love if we do not know Hate. I can tell you from a life of constant introspection and observation of the suffering and confusion that so many deal with that it is absolutely possible to KNOW what is good and right without going through hell to figure it out!
Let’s use the example of children and animals. Both are essentially open, trusting and innocent. You show them unbounded love and they will grow, blossom and thrive. I have seen this with my own children and with Arya the Cockatiel, my avian dinosaur companion. Language is super important.
Now, Jackson Browne was one of my favourites to put on the turntable in the 1970s and his Running on Empty song and album. I have not heard about him in ages. Yes, I would like to hear a new song from such a talented person. Especially about love.
how well you put into words the things that so many of us have struggled with over these past years. I've only ever responded to one other substack but this one compels me to join the conversation. for all those who 'know' more than I in this journey, patience please. I'm stumbling around in the dark just like everyone else...
I cannot and will not believe we are the effect of chance or evil. as a woman who identified as a christian for 30 years, it has been the undoing of all my idols to attempt to understand life, as well as the undoing of everything I thought I 'knew' about 'God'. christians are very pompous and deluded people, believing whatever we're told or read, doing zero studying outside of accepted sources of 'knowledge'. in studying words, legal, law, greek and Hebrew, the Bible, nature,etc, for now I rest with this: there are two realities: heaven and hell (genesis 1 and genesis 2) and both are within us. and I think I mean this quite literally. how did Jesus (in reality or metaphorically) heal every single man or woman who came to him. I pondered this for years. when I took a class on the law and bible and asked that question, I was told (as if I were an idiot for asking about miracles) that he just saw what was REAL. they were not miracles; they were him acknowledging reality. I couldn't understand that for two years until I began to 'see' ('you have eyes but see not') that this world isn't real - meaning that which actually exists. in genesis 1 God made everything in his/her/its image (spirit) and it was good. before genesis 2, evil was unknown. yet genesis 2 is all we are taught. religion (including statism) programs us to 'believe' in a lie, legal fiction, unreality and call it truth and reality (are you a 'person'? hell, no!). we are so programmed in this way that undoing the brainwashing is as good as impossible. the other day I was thinking about something else this teacher said: Clint Eastwood was just playing a ROLE called Dirty Harry. he thought, spoke and acted for that person/character. HE WAS NOT that character-duh. I often dwell on the Shakespeare quotes as well. that guy seriously knew something real. so we've all got these scripts we've been programmed from (I don't know where they come from except well meaning deluded people living in hell/genesis 2) but the script is just a role. it's not who we ARE. interestingly, there's only one place in the Bible were 'God' self identifies and the name is I AM. there's a whole lot to ponder there. I, for now, rest in the knowledge? that God is existence, good, whole, perfect and nothing can affect it - not our 'prayers', actions, beliefs or anything else. it just IS. our job here is to 'see' the difference between reality and fiction, spirit and person, and to fix our minds on only what is real. this is like trying to drag a horse-drawn cart filled to the gills with shite out of a hardened track of mud. honestly, if I hadn't glimpsed a wee bit of reality, I wouldn't bother because the path of least resistance is just so much easier - same thoughts, same actions, same beliefs going nowhere but round and round and round. and yet, can existence really be so pointless and malevolent. possibly, but I'm not there yet. and I don't want to be there ever. I have experienced that miracles/reality abound when I see myself as an extension of I AM which is whole and perfect and good and abundance. when I focus on all the evil around me, that becomes all I see and who I am. what IF God is actually omnipotent and omnipresent as the big major world religions teach - then were could evil exist but in our own minds that we bring into actuality. I've kind of been fixated on the phrase 'vain imaginings'. they're mentioned a lot in the Bible. we're instructed to cast them down, not engage in them, have nothing to do with them. what if we do actually create reality with our minds? what if awareness profoundly affects how we experience our reality (see the double slit experiment. it's super important to this conversation and stack). what if the kingdom of heaven is within us and all the work we must do is in our minds and it's as simple as knowing the truth (actual Truth as there is no actual truth in the genesis 2 world which is the one most of us see, hear, touch and WANT desperately) which sets us freeeeeee........what if the goal is to not want those treasures of the world any longer (not an easy thing) and to seek first the kingdom of heaven, which is within us. because we can never be anything we're not - except in our vain imaginings of mind.
Sorry Maria, I am just now seeing your comment. I do not get notifications no matter how I keep picking it while setting up my page. You have said a great deal of thought provoking things here. I want to think on these things before I answer you... If I even can. But I did want to acknowledge your comment and thank you!
You mentioned so many concepts and beliefs that I have also contemplated over the years.
"WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WE TRULY ARE",
Growing up in the Catholic Church as well, though, had me questioning everything. Most of it did not make sense to me. We start with a God, who could not control the evil in the world, When it got bad enough he sent his OWN (we seem to be less then HIS OWN) in to the world to NOT put an end to evil and suffering but to confirm that we were sinners and lost and unable to save ourselves. So God had to sacrifice his OWN son, as if he hadn't already been sacrificing us, through plagues, catastrophes, demonic emperors' hell bent on wars, and domination. To make a long story short, This idea that we are hopeless and helpless sinners needing a savior keeps plenty from taking power into their own hands and standing up for themselves in this very corruptly run/managed world. There are other accounts of beings from other places/realities/dimensions/universes who came here and manipulated us genetically and disabled our true power and intelligence. That really makes things confusing, Other beings who could tamper with our Creator's work. Yes, it is daunting and confusing, and overwhelming for those of us who do decide to ask the questions and start exploring.
I may be wrong, I certainly have my vengeful thoughts against those who would harm life, and make slaves/experiment subjects/victims of horrible suffering out of other living beings, but my thought is that Heaven and Hell and the concept that: BOTH ARE WITHIN US... is just that, a CONcept. It is a beLIEf that serves those who wish to keep us oppressed, and would want us thinking this way about ourselves. That we cannot point the finger at a perpetrator without pointing the finger back at ourselves. That way they can say THERE ARE NO VICTIMS, because you are doing it to yourselves. THIS is connected to all the other things you bring up about our thoughts and actions, our beliefs and what we focus on and how we are creating reality.
Do we have absolute evidence that Jesus healed people, or that he taught people how to think in order to heal themselves? How many of us would choose to do hellish, demonic, evil things if we were not living tormented lives, suffering in pain, in hopelessness and depression? Maybe this is what Jesus was really doing, teaching us to see the system of deceit in which we put our faith. Maybe the Man named Jesus was teaching the people to see how they have been mind controlled and enslaved by lies and false perceptions. Maybe the world is not an illusion, but a MATRIX OF LIES HAS BEEN WOVEN LIKE A WEB OVER OUR PERCEPTION AND IS KEEPING US PRISONER/MIND CONTROLLED BY THE PROGRAM.
There may be truth to this idea, that first the world was made perfect and free from suffering, and then something indeed went very wrong. Maybe it is true an evil entity came in and hypnotized us, reprogrammed us, HID the beauty and harmony of the REAL world, and our Garden disappeared before our eyes, we were stripped down of all of our power, our memory, our truth. We suffered amnesia and then our minds were taken over by false stories of our Origin?
maybe we are now Characters/zombies playing a scripted parts forced on us by the Matrix programming, and because we have amnesia. We are at the whim of our Puppeteers. It reminds me of when I was a child and played with Barbies, I dressed them, I fed them, I walked them, I made them sit, and sleep, or wake up and swim, or drive, I spoke for them, I chose their personality. I threw them in the box when I got bored. Is this what is being done to us?
I have been testing the idea that we create reality with our minds for a long time. I have contemplated many of the things you are speaking of. I would love to address it in another post. One big question I have is WHY do those who run this world want to control our MINDS, Control our THOUGHTS, control our health and keep us in states of weakness, ill, fearful and suffering? To me, it points to the possibility that we are powerful through our thoughts, and in turn how we act upon our thoughts. This is why they control our thoughts and lead us into acting out THEIR PLANS.
I do not know what our job/purpose is, if any,(maybe we are prisoners playing out a sick game) But I do think it is up to us to see our predicament and do something about it, and of course we can sit back and watch the show, and wait for our exit off stage too, as you mentioned. Interestingly most people are suffering enough to become apathetic but not enough to stand up for themselves. WHAT if this is our only life? Do we decide to make the best of it? Do we put the idea to the test that we do have power to create, for me I certainly want to put those ideas to the test. I am wary/weary of anything promoted to the collective, I do not want to be part of a collective, I want to be careful of what I believe in and where I put my power. this is getting too long, but thank you for all the thoughts, you brought up so many things that so many of us have been looking in to, all valid and important.
Oh my goodness! Where to begin…. Last night I couldn’t sleep and around 3-4 I have this revelation: I’m NOT a dirty sinner deserving of suffering to earn my way into heaven! That is church teaching! Jesus taught that we and the father/creator are ONE, which means there’s nothing on earth that can separate us from source. Except our own minds. We deserve love and abundance and to be cherished.
Thought always precedes form and form always precedes substance. It is imo our own thoughts that create reality, by fixing our minds on truth, which can only be spirit rather than vanity/world, which is 100% a literal legal fiction. This is the reason for outside control of our minds. God IS Mind-awareness, existence, perfection, completion. To truly know that we are one with this means man cannot rule over other men. So we can’t have that in the world. No one can know. Programmed from the moment of conception.
Regarding Jesus healing, there are those who heal now and the common
Theme seems to be the awareness and acknowledgment of the reality of the other., that they are complete and perfect expressions of source just as they are now- the rest is like a dirty coat that just needs to fall off the shoulders. The scales must fall from our eyes so that we can see.
From this perspective, if there r other life forms, they’re created by the One and thus must be good. Anything else is man made and therefore vanity/vain imaginings, illusion: a person seems real yet could not be more unreal. All of life is within our minds🩷
What makes us so unique to be configured as we are. Our role vs plants and animals, and inanimate objects for that matter. All on this earth, even corporal beings off this earth have roles. Perhaps we are the hands of the Creator. Collective energy necessary to manipulate the physical world. To what ends? As you ask. Why?
It’s a personal journey. Each entity is faced with unique challenges of its role and environment. Each response selects a different course which is either correct or needing further correction. And how would we know to correct without some form of feedback? Is that pain or tragedy in extreme situations?
I’ve pondered this stuff my entire life. I’ve even questioned the Creator but I think I’ve had enough experiences now to know that there is organization and communication guided by something not adequately defined by our human frame of reference. Call it what you will. My sister calls it God. She makes a compelling case based on here life choices and experience. And I’m ok with that. I made my own choices based on feeling and intuition early in life. Always listening, studying, observing the various feedbacks I received due to my actions. Adjusting accordingly. As I aged my thoughts sought validation in the physical realm of science and engineering. Working on machines of immense power for both good and bad. Dual use technology so to say. Technology I enabled but did not have any control of its end use. Always questioning why and knowing there was some purpose to me that was not being fulfilled by those wondrous machines. But what?
Seeking purpose was rekindled when I dealt with cancer at mid-life. After that experience I knew I had not found my purpose yet. But then I also realized I may never truly find the real reason. It may be that my mere presence has affected or enabled some action or entity to fulfill its role. Collective action for whatever purpose. And I guess as long as I continue to be driven to find purpose and act in a helpful non-ego driven manner, able to impart insight and wisdom on those I encounter, then that may be enough. A time here not wasted. And I’m ok with that too.
thank you for sharing a bit of your life story Mike, and your struggles and your intuitive ability or even your struggles to come to terms. I agree with you that there is something more to life and us then just randomness and purposelessness. I agree that intuitively we KNOW when something is right and something is not right. This is the exact reason why for me suffering is not noble or necessary for growth. My thoughts and my observations lead to a force that is beyond reasonable, is working here to keep us from our Truth and our possibility. As I stated in the essay, there is a difference between overcoming obstacles and dealing with cause and effect, there is suffering that just comes with the territory. Then there is another kind of suffering that seems to purposefully be inflicted on all life. This is what I am pointing to, this is what I want to come to terms with. Why does disease of the magnitude of cancer have to be a lesson for learning? I wish you or anyone else could have been spared that, and I commend you for your efforts to overcome it. My brother and my mother in law both lost the battle, To me both were amazing people in this world, they were gifts in my life.. I wrote about my brother... maybe I will post it, I can't imagine what a little child has done to deal with these kinds of suffering... and the parents and loved ones in their life.. I think you have said something really wonderful actually in your thought that your mere presence was all that was needed to make a difference in this world. I know that is the case with my brother and my Mother in law! The best to you! Thanks for sharing!
“ As I stated in the essay, there is a difference between overcoming obstacles and dealing with cause and effect, there is suffering that just comes with the territory.
Then there is another kind of suffering that seems to purposefully be inflicted on all life. This is what I am pointing to, this is what I want to come to terms with.”
I wish I knew the answer to this.. But I do not think so, I think there is something going on here, controlling us. just looking at the state of society now. WE are controlled by agents..We call them GOVERN-MENT which translates to GOVERNORS OF MIND. Our minds are controlled by those who know how to manipulate our perceptions creating be-LIE-fs that we take as truth, these beLIEfs are meant to destroy our power and erase our memory of who we ARE.
who ever created this construct.. I am not saying it Is NOT us.. but I am saying that who ever it is, is governing our thought. I call it a parasite. a virus. something that wants to copy our Nature. and manipulate it to it's needs.
True that pain and suffering is encountered in the natural progression of life. Kind of comes with the territory. However I reject the idea that it is necessary as prescribed by any religion or societal dictate. These are nothing more than manmade interpretations for control and power. I think we can minimize through intuition, alertness, selflessness, aware learning, but you ask an important question that would call to question what we are often led to believe. Why does it take unknown eons of rebirth to figure out? It’s a question deeper than here’s your spiritual and material construct as best as we are able to intuit individually or learn from ancient texts or wisemen. Makes you question absolutely everything. And I mean absolutely everything.
My materially trained mind would surmise that the Creator is infinity and you can never attain infinity. No matter how hard or how long you try. But Pareto would say we can get substantially there without infinite power and wisdom. But to your question again, are there entities that may go the extra effort to get closer to the Creator? Probably. But I’m open to suggestion.
Enjoy your holiday. BTW Jackson Brown Running On Empty is a go to album if I’m feeling nostalgic for my college days. When I was younger I couldn’t wait to get older. But I always bristle when someone calls me sir because I still feel young. Despite my declining physical strength, the only thing that makes me feel old is trying to understand current generation thinking and why they act as they do and come to such ridiculous conclusions. Just reinforces that I am from another era that has passed and they’re going to have to relearn past truisms in their own way. So back to suffering again.
Sorry responding so late, I do not get notifications, and I just saw this!
Yes, that is my stance, that suffering is not necessary to learn lessons or to grow, especially not under the circumstances dealt to us in this world, by governments (govern the mind) and religion. I do question absolutely everything! MOre to come, as I find a way to communicate my thoughts. Thank you for your participation and comments on this subject! Oh and Mike, yes, I love that album, and me too, listening brings me back to college days... and actually High school too. I not only feel young. I am still that young and enthusiastic, so I thought, free spirit, wanting to explore. Hey I can still climb mts and last summer I built a pergola from scratch, my own design, cutting all the pieces and cementing, and building the deck... maybe I'll share that next on a lighter post!
Wow—you really asked the right questions here, and poked a hole in just about every half-baked explanation for what our ‘purpose’ for living could be.
Like all great pieces of writing, I’m left with more questions than answers (about the world around me, of course—you made your point very clearly). Thank you for writing this.
I just had to laugh... thank you.. isn't that the truth.. the more we poke the more we come up with WHAT???... from some of the responses... I have another post brewing.. as all thinkers do eh? Thank you Melissa!!
M*A*S*H television show was quite popular. It was designed for one purpose alone: to instill a sense that SUFFERING IS NOBLE.
It is the savior myth.
Of course there is always the cruel trick: You CAN'T pay for your own sins so someone or something has to do it for you but you sure can be made to regret those sins that have supposedly been paid for.
Little Known Facts: Fresh manure is full of pathogens and can BURN plants if you put it directly on them. Manure HAS to be PROPERLY composted, brought up to a high internal temperature so kill the parasites and other bugs and break down the ammonia that can poison your plants.
NOTHING on this planet is EVER what it seems or has been portrayed to be.
On the flip side:
Left in a field for some time splats of cow manure can become as hard as a dinner plate to be used for hours of fun by low I.Q. farm dwellers as frisbees.
Something I haven't done yet... LOL... except that this is the goal NOW. to KNOW what we are going to do, and think, in every moment. They've been training us up for this all along. perfect mind controlled servants.
The Buddhamind is in The Moment. Because the past is gone and the future hasn't arrived. I spend nearly ALL of my time in the future referenced from the past because otherwise there is no SURVIVAL in the now.
Mistakes and successes of the past are our foundation for what we do next or decisions that we make in the now to let us get through this episode of the movie CUBE without being turned into fertilizer.
A Flatworm has no capacity to learn it only reacts to stimulus.
You can observe flatworms in their natural habitat on a recliner sipping a beer and eating a pizza in front of the superbowl game.
Wow. After reading this (twice) and the comments, words fail me. Going to read again and try to unpack when the 4 year old is not so distracting.
On the lighter side you mention animals and nature several times. I have an interesting story kind of related to pain. I planted 3 apple trees from bare root stock 2 winters ago. They thrived in their 1st year holding leaves on new branches well into the winter. Of courses they leaped forward with new growth this spring after I dutifully mulched and pruned them. One tree burst forth with beautiful blossoms and set a dozen apples when I was out of town. It was healthy and spectacular. Of course I dutifully removed the little perfectly formed apples. The tree went into shock and started dropping all its leaves and drying out its new twigs. I thought I’d lose it. So I asked it what the problem was because the other trees were doing good and there was no obvious signs of bugs or fungus. To my surprise the tree responded that I took her children. I have been apologizing for a week now and the die off has stopped and new growth is starting to appear. It also told me it did not like the coax cable over its canopy (it’s a mid dwarf tree). Bizarre huh?
Your experience brought tears to my eyes. I see it as confirmation of what we really are: LIFE and LOVE, and that pain and suffering were NEVER part of the Original Plan. Thank you for sharing. It may be also that it is your own deep message to yourself... Not only do those who try and rule over us hurt us with pain, they keep us from realizing our true potential. They nip us in the bud, so to speak. They want us uniform and subject to their idea of who we should be and how we should act. They implant their ideas in us, and want us to grow "their child" their idea for the their reality. We are all Unique Beings, with our own journey of creative life and living.
Yes. That is so true we are programmed from early on. Things like the apple tree always give me pause. Am I just imagining it because I want it to be true due to my programming or faulty unprogramming bias. Things you have in the back of your mind all your life. Silently questioning because it’s unlikely or rare that anyone else can empathize. Except maybe your dog.
exactly, glad you understood what I was pointing to. What matters is you felt deeply a message in your experience with the tree that sounds like truth to me!
Love it... "except maybe for your dog".. I currently have 6... they are definitely more conscious/conscientious and aware of their environment then most humans. and they LOVE genuinely
Wow, this is a punch in the face brutal real wonderful awful incredible use of the English language!
I'm so grateful for this piece.
I've been lectured so often by sanctimonius asshats...your wounding serves you Mike, you won't heal until you let it go...was just the latest. My honest wish?
I probably shouldn't say, so I won't.
I've known too many who could never heal during their lives. It was literally, truly beyond them. In one particular case a super close friend who was like that visited me after her death. She raised her arms and was lit with incredible colours. She was so beautiful, the sheer remarkable beauty of the soul. I can't forget it to this day.
I won't bullshit anyone about this suffering thing, it just sucks. I've never found it to do anything worthwhile. Maybe it can increase ones tolerance to suffering, but then it just hardens the heart and leads one to develop a black sense of humor. It takes one hell of a lot longer to walk back from this, than to walk into it.
I can only discover one thing in suffering that might be found in no other way, and that is the hopelessness, the meaninglessness, the torture that when faced honestly results in the epiphany so adroitly penned here.
It is exactly this level of devastation that I have stood in too many times, but this is the first thing Ive read that honours the raw experience without the free lecture.
And this, as fucked up as it sounds, is to me the point.
The point is that it simply is life.
It isnt fair.
It fully sucks.
It serves no higher entity.
It isn't a doorway to ones renaissance.
It just fucking is.
Life is just like this.
Period.
you might like this, a response to my post. no one can say it like he can!
https://generalportal55.substack.com/p/stockholm-of-suffering?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1703191&post_id=144963909&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1zh5ag&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Yes this is exactly what I am pointing to. For millions of years billions of human souls.... Not to mention animal souls... All living beings suffering. What have any of us actually learned? Recently science can show that plants suffer from pain. I can't imagine what a tree being chopped up must go through. There are plenty of beautiful and joyful ways and even challenging ways to experience this material world without needing to go through so much torment. Nature itself is challenging and can be brutal. But those that rule over humanity poisoning us and starving us, imprisoning us, pitting us against each other.. The list goes on has never been about needing to learn lessons
No argument from me about this observation, Karafree.
I suppose everyone wants to imagine that all this shit has some great purpose so that it becomes more bearable, but isn't interesting that the great purpose always comes with a sales pitch?
Gotta wonder about that one. I mean, everyone has to have some money to survive now, which is such bullshit, because it really is just another form of slavery, so I'm just like everyone else in that way, but its one thing to need money, and something else to commodify every fucking thing,
On my subbie I have Gnostic on the header, which sends the Christians into a tizzy.
Well, I won't go too far into my story, except to say the Gnostic view is that there is something fundamentally fucked up about this reality, and its time to stop worshiping it.
I'm not selling anything here. I'm just pointing out that the observation that the world is fucked has been a genuine place for many people over the centuries, so understand that you're not alone.
There is very little if no reality in the socially constructed world. I look to nature to find what is real. When I want to determine the reality in something I ask “what would the squirrel do?” 🐿️ I have no idea why a squirrel 🤣🤷♀️
LOL.. but seriously!! you are looking at a conscious being as far as I know that is not subjected to the mind control, the squirrel. Anyway, like you, I think Nature, whether we are in a simulation, has TRUTH within in it.. To copy the truth and put it into this reality we are experiencing they couldn't delete the truth completely.. Nature is the one place most of us can agree on that it gives us some kind of solace, comfort, rejuvenation, joy, calm... I have written about this in many of my posts! Nature is my Muse!
Even we are commodities. One thing I appreciate about the Gnostics is what they say about Egregores. Thought forms, wanting us all to CONform to their programming, to be a COLLECTIVE, not individuals, not free thinkers, not unique creators and explorers, but HIVEMIND SLAVES.
Whenever we think of something, we have to, in a sense, 3rd person it, right? We have to give whatever it is a kind of a ghost existence, and this takes our attention and our time.
We have so much of this noise around us now that we, at least from what I see, fall for the shadows. I would like to think I'm beyond this, but honestly, I don't think so. I fall for this stupid shit, and most of the time its because the ghosts played me perfectly. Afterwards I look at the sophistication, at the manipulation, at the sheer cruelty of it all and I go, okay, you got me, but you don't have me.
So, I wonder about this egregore thing, Karafree.
The Thought forms rule. One of the worst of them is "YOU are bringing this upon yourself" You know this, when you describe the manipulation and the sophistication of it. Cruel is putting it lite. Every thing is about stopping us from exploring and learning who we truly are. I have a huge GRIPE with the whole EGO CONcept as well. GET RID of YOUR EGO... is another giant psyop.
Maybe I could have put it into clearer terms.
I suppose what I should have said is that I don't particularly understand the hypnosis of it, the glue that keeps us fixated. I know its very real. I know when I shake off its control I am much, much freer, but I also feel the power of the fixation, the fascination of it, even as I have no desire to take part.
Ego comes from Freud. I never got Freud. Everyone thinks he was some kind of great genius contributing to mankind. Well, he told Jung he was bringing a plague to America. Do great geniuses bring fucking plagues? I guess if you follow the hypnosis they do.
Epic levels of bullshit.
Freud destroyed ever view of the self except his own. Mr. Plague should be taken out with the trash, because not only is he wrong, he's a disease by his own admission.
Sorry for all the typos, Its really hard for me to see what I write with the white on blue. Thanks for an essay that really echoed in my heart!
Sorry this background is difficult, thanks for letting me know, I always have trouble reading on black backgrounds with white type, so I thought this was pleasing... don't worry about typos (what typos?), your message is completely clear!
Karafree...I don't know what the hell happened to my comments! They just disappeared for some damn reason. Shit!!! Anyway, this was a bold, brave, brilliant punch in the gut to the Cosmos! Why ARE we going through this shit, when most of the shit is DONE TO US by bullies, psychopaths, etc.? Why do we keep coming back to this planet to learn things we've forgot??? Are we duped by demons when we get to that Light and guilted into coming back to this dirtball planet so the psychopaths can keep feeding off our loosh (which they'll never be satisfied)??? Anyway, I'm so glad you wrote this. Maybe this will generate more questions about our "existence", what it really is, what it's really all about. xoxo VP
Thanks for coming by Victory Palace. I think it is so important to examine everything we have been conditioned to believe. Much of it begins so early in life, religion being a key factor in our conditioning. I have my theories which I explore more in my posts. Like you I appreciate Neville Goddard's message about where our power is...IN our own minds and our ability to imagine. This ability to imagine has been controlled by forces so that we create their world and we are slaves to their controls. Just realizing that shines a light on how important our minds are at creating reality. I don't know if we keep coming back, but of course we have been told we do... I think, because I have seen and experienced astonishing beauty here, that through our effort to remain focused in our imaginal acts, we can create once again a better world...
Kara, you ask some interesting questions:
“Then we must consider that we are not coming back to learn lessons, but instead to play in the Theater called life.
Do we get to choose our Character?
Do we get to write our own script?
May we speak or act impromptu?
Or maybe, just maybe life is random, and we just showed up on the scene because of some big bang and ensuing evolutionary unfoldment.
Who are we really?”
Hope Mary’s experience will give you answers.
She says at minute 39: that things are not true that we believe.
We are more than the old meat suit.
She shows how we can alter our state of frequency to clear out the programming from yesterday. To move past fear and anxiety.
At minute 43: she asks why we enjoy playing games like Monopoly. And says because it’s fun. And allows us to learn from our emotions, get a rush and exhilaration that an omnipotent person cannot do.
That uncomfortable situations are to encourage us to overcome our fear of death ☠️.
Teach us not to identify with negativity by using gratitude.
https://reowen0708.substack.com/p/coming-soon
Funny you post this today. I am diligently working on my next post.. Where I talk about the "meat suit" as being Artificial intelligence. Just from the little you mentioned about Mary's NDE, I am not on board with it.. yes we are in a game, a simulation.. but we aren't doing it for the fun of it. I do agree that it is up to US, who we truly are, to overcome the Avatar that we are imprisoned in. and it is through frequency, OUR THOUGHTS are the frequency. I hope you'll check out my next substack.. I am making it into a video, so it can be listened to, I hope to post it in the next few days. Thank you!
Yes, I look forward to your next post.
AI, oh my!
Lol.. AI oh my.. I know its nutty, but everything leads me to investigating this. Yuval Harari says humans are hackable. We know those that rule here control our minds and our emotions... Energy in motion or our frequency.
Interesting.
Power of imagination
In the book, Harari says that what distinguished Homo sapiens to dominate the world was our ability to create and believe in fiction-- like religions, money, and nations. These shared fictions allowed humans to cooperate on a large scale, thus leading to the formation of complex societies.Aug 7, 2023
Yes. Its all about beLIEf. And most importantly IMAGINATION. But imagination and belief are part of SPIRIT… not the Avatar in which SPIRIT resides. This is what i am looking at and discussing in the next post.
Well said Kara. I agree and you are Kindred for sure!
thanks for coming by, I know there is something so much better for all life, then the path being pushed on us.
Yes, we could have a beautiful, sparkling clean world run on free energy technologies with abundance and prosperity for all. We could all know that our Creator is Universal Mind as proved through Nature's true Science of the Electric Universe Model of Creation and therefore we no longer need any religions that box us into a fake world. We would all simply commune with the kingdom of heaven within us. Our Creator is always with us in the still point of divine light that centers our very hearts, which we call the "seat of our souls"!
this came across my awareness today! enjoyed the comment section too
https://open.substack.com/pub/forbiddennews/p/the-biggest-coverup-of-all-time?r=1zh5ag&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&comments=true
Thank you Kara 🙏"It's questioning and unraveling all the beliefs you dislike, and all the ones you are dearly attached to." Suffering is an internal experience associated with the avoidance of pain. We try to avoid pain but are unable to do so, because of the desire we have to avoid it. Desire is the cause of suffering, as all too often we clutch at desire as a source to end our pain, or at least to provide us with a pleasurable alternative to pain. Pleasure and pain are opposite ends of the same spectrum of experience. They are dualistic opposites. Desire to avoid pain or to grasp at pleasure is a pendulum that swings both ways. We must learn to overcome our lower vibrating consciousness associated with base desire in order to attain to the higher frequencies of higher consciousness, and resonance with our higher self and purpose. Desire, pleasure and pain keeps us rooted in the lower frequencies of consciousness. Whether it's pleasure or pain we cannot have one without the other. You have more questions than answers here Kara, and they're all excellent questions. The truth of the matter is that the answers are found within the questions, the solutions within the problems. This is the process of self exploration that by some trick of fate we find ourselves contemplating. Some may say that fate is what is chosen for us by others and that destiny is what we create ourselves. We get to decide whether to suffer or not, because of the circumstances that we are born into, whilst many do not have a choice but to endure great pain and suffering with little option, as to whether they experience it or not. This is life. We are here to end suffering once and for all, to turn the tables on this topsy turvy world where fate makes victims of us all, by embracing a new vision and destiny for all mankind. We are the lightworkers. We are here to bring light into the world and dispel the darkness. And in order to do this we must confront the ugly truth and still rise above it. We do this by understanding the true nature of suffering, by following a path that leads to its cessation, and in so doing show the way for others that are to follow in our tracks. We save the world one person at a time beginning with ourselves. Believe it or not, the universe is unfolding as it should. We chose to come here for our own growth and learning, to experience both pleasure and pain, in accordance with the path we have chosen, even before we were born. Scepticism is very important, equally to open mindedness. We must each follow our own life lessons and inner guidance, as well as our higher guidance in such matters. Our choice is our own to make, and our consciousness reaps what it sows. I hope that this has been helpful Kara. Much blessings to you🙏🙏🙏
Excellent write, and with lots of pertinent questions. I have long since reckoned suffering (and especially martyrdom) is not only highly over-rated but unnecessary. Mind you, if you look at the Abrahamic religions and their God (self-defined as jealous, partisan, vengeful and with zero-tolerance for disobedience of impossible-to-keep commandments) and then you build a whole (western) civilisation on that paradigm, it's hardly surprising suffering exists - and stories evolve to explain and justify that suffering.
You nailed it!! The religious dogma and the warning that full obedience is required, and that we are sinners who need redemption through suffering and punishment.. AND THE STORIES THAT EVOLVE in order to convince ourselves that this LIE must be true!
Ah, yes the sin-bin thing as well. Another nail in the coffin of truth. {PS: I'm an evangelical christian survivor .... :)) I'll be posting a poem on 'Abraham's Legacy' at some point}
I will be looking for your poem. I think we commented on Perry Greenbaums stack the other day (cat stevens) Oh and on martyrdom... yes I agree, Horrible and torturous suffering only to die in agony while the Oppressors live on and continue in inflicting their madness.
Wow…what a fine effort at the most basic of observational questions. My own thoughts start with the fact that I am not God and did not create myself. Mysteriously I am “here,” not “there” (as Pascal muses). I have no idea why “this” is “this,” or “that” is “that.” Others may not accept my starting assumption that “God,” or “the Creator,” is “perfect.” The only thing a perfect being cannot do is create another, separate, perfect being. “Suffering” seems to be a logical outcome of “imperfection.” I think the randomness of it all is most disturbing as we have “fairness” and “justice” constantly nagging over our shoulders. I believe I understand your frustration, but you won’t eliminate yours or anyone else’s suffering in a cosmic way. There seems to be “something about suffering” that is as elusive as “everything else.” I’m almost 80 and a certain amount of acceptance seems sensible at this stage. I didn’t accept much when I was younger and yet still here I am. I believe (hope) there is more to my existence than this imperfect life. Accept the mystery and do what you can. What else can we do? If we “argue” about it, with whom are we arguing? Best to you and yours.
Thank you for your comment. To some it may appear as if I am coming from a place of whining and complaining and victimhood. That I feel and behave powerless because of this. What I am pointing to is that there is a force in this world the defies every thing beautiful and loving. If we continue to turn a blind eye to this force, if we continue to have no empathy, or remain apathetic, do nothing in view of the horrors and atrocities being dealt on all living beings, ALL LIFE, what can we expect as the final outcome. We have been convinced to keep our sufferings private, to not admit that there are victims, to blame people for their condition and suffering, and in all of this ignorance, we are losing our freedoms as a collective. Many people who would say stop complaining are speaking from a place of privilege, who have likely never truly experienced debilitating and hopeless situations, horrific pain, been through a war, been tortured or raped, or trafficked as a little child. But will point their ignorant finger at a victim and tell them to suck it up and stand up like a man, wipe away their tears and move on. Never addressing the perpetrators who run this world... Sorry for my rant.. I just finished reading a disturbing post right before your comment came in... I do appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. We cannot change what was, acceptance of that is key, or it will haunt you. We can only be aware in the now. You are right it can be hard to pin down exactly what suffering is, as many handle life and it's difficulties differently. My thoughts look into the nature of our Conditioning, why we do NOT stand up against the RULE or AUTHORITY that runs this world, because as children we were told to obey and listen to your Elders, to not question Authority, to just accept that "GOD" had a plan, and your punishment is part of it, as you are a sinner (not you personally) I am here to question all of that! I too feel deep down there is much more to Us then this life, I do feel that truth is being kept from us, unjustly!
I did too as a child. My mother would tell me as a small child that if I wasn’t good, I would go to hell for all eternity to be tortured. I remember laying in bed and thinking of this - I was very young. then I started sleep walking in a nightmare state, go down crying and my parents getting up and sometimes I wouldn’t wake up for maybe 15 minutes. I was talking and crying but i was still asleep. I’ve suffered from acute anxiety disorder and depression all my life and I often wonder if there’s a connection there.
Colin, so sorry you were troubled by hell.
In Catholic school at the age of 7, I was aghast that people who had not been told about Jesus were going to hell or purgatory. Just didn’t seem fair.
I asked the nun, how will we burn 🔥 in hell if we don’t have bodies?
I was told to sit down.
Spot, Dick and Jane didn’t teach me about metaphor yet.
Glad you were uplifted and found peace ☮️ from Thich Nhat Han!
By the way, in my 40’s, I experienced being light 💡.
The sense was awesome bliss and love ❤️.
I do not believe in hell or sin.
No I don’t either. It’s why I chose Zen Buddhism because you have to believe in a set of values to sustain you. So, Compassion for all Living Beings. Am I a good Buddhist. No! But, at least I’m trying to. I put in the effort. The only solution I can think of as an antidote to all this madness is Silence and Kindness and spending as much time as possible in Nature where even there is a sound, the river, the wind blowing through the trees, the call of a blue jay, a family of chickadees playing over my head and watching the ebb and flow of the water. There is the sound of silence. I thought the other day and then I realized, there is no human noise- no chainsaws, honking horns, leaf blowers. Just nature I was there the other day. I have to take my old bones down to a cliff to get to it, but I just found peace. Rachel Carson calls them the Repeated Refrains of Nature! I have a group of subscribers and you are one of them, that my hope is to write for you. To offer some solace, hope, clarity, anything. I put all my efforts into writing for you all and I love doing it because it gives my life meaning. So thank-you Nature. You are a good soul and it’s important we don’t lose our souls in a soulless society and world. Kind regards Colin
If I were to guess, yes there is a connection. The term is MKUltra'd. Using fear and pain to cause psychological strife. To be told as an impressionable, curious and creative young mind what your fate is if you step out of line, how can that not leave a deep impression. The jesuits claimed:
"Give me the child, and I will mold the man."
"Give me the child for seven years,
and I will give you the man."
To me it has sinister overtones, if you scare the hell out of a child during that most impressionable age, what could possibly go wrong?????
I definitely was affected and I did have a difficult life, but I think the Zen Buddhist Vietnamese monk Thich Nhat Hanh literally saved my life. It gives moments of peace. thank-you for responding. Kind regards Colin
good to hear you have found peace!! Thank you for your comments!
I came to believe a long time ago that you don’t have to know rain to appreciate the sun. I feel like it is the same with pain and pleasure and suffering and peace.
Optimum Conflict (a state of tension between opposing forces) is one of my universal optimum need states. I make the claim that it is a universal need because their is no growth without it. Too much or too little conflict leads to suffering and pain. If this is at all a helpful way to consider it, it demonstrates that pain and suffering are indicators that Conflict is not Optimum…and in my propositions for peace, compromising Optimum Conflict (or any of the ten universal optimum need states) compromises peace.
So right on Kelly!! This is my exact feeling as well, We do NOT NEED the contrast to KNOW one from the other. Intrinsically as children we thrive in the goodness and the joy of exploring the world. To sit in the sun on a breezy day, to play in the sand, we do not need a sudden rain storm to tell us how much joy we felt while playing out on a sunny day. For me there is growth in every experience. I see some are not motivated to experience new things or try something that may seem like a challenge and unless they are threatened or forced in some way may not get up and do something to improve their life. BUT still doesn't mean pain is necessary. The tension part comes in as motivator to do something else. What we resists persists kind of thing. If we do not like something that energy pushes back at us. I think this is what you are pointing to. But do we need wars? Do we need purposeful starvation, do we need poisoning and disease and weakness? Do we need trafficking and slavery and ON and ON, the horror show, that so many write off with excuses that its GOD's plan, that there is a deeper purpose, or even gas lighting like being asked to define evil, as we see little children bombed and bleeding and dying in the streets... whole schools of fish washed up on the shores, flocks of birds falling out of the sky, mountain tops being blown off for granite counter tops, whole forests being decimated, well this list could go on for miles so I will stop here. thank you for your comment
Glad you posted specific atrocities. Now I see more clearly what you mean.
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I got to the end of you comment and by body responded with a deep breath. I completely agree.
I have given the subject of suffering much thought over the years. I can say unequivocally that suffering is not necessary for growth, not necessary to become a better human being. Not necessary for anything good. Too much suffering can destroy a person.
When people say or justify their suffering as a means or avenue for growth, they are saying or suggesting that they would not have grown otherwise. That the pain, the tears, the cruelty, the scars, the agony--all of it was necessary. This is called an argument from silence.
The assumption made is that this outcome post-facto was ONLY possible through pain and suffering.
Are the argument posits that a path without suffering would not have resulted in equal or greater growth. This is not only unproven and untrue, it is nonesense to the point that the opposite is true. I will go further with this argument. It is not suffering that is required; it is love.
Yes, there is a reason why love songs persist, why love is sought after, why the world needs love. As the song says, love is what the world has too little of.
Love will produce the greatest growth. Not only in humans but also in non-human animals and every species on Earth. There is no such thing as too much love.
But suffering exists even (maybe especially) when we don’t seek it. Of course “love” is better than suffering, but to interact “in the world,” full of fallible humans you will find it and have to deal with it. Whatever “lessons” you learn are genus to the individual experience. Blessings.
Yes, suffering exists in the world, most of it a result of the actions of humans, who are not only the chief purveyors of human suffering but, equally important, of all non-human suffering. No one doubts its existence. But some like me and the author of this piece doubt its benefits. Doubt that it is noble to suffer. Doubt that growth can’t be reached or achieved without the need to suffer.
I so very much appreciate your post.. as a follow up to this one I posted a newer song by Jackson Browne that I just discovered yesterday after posting this essay, and it points to exactly what you conclude with The world needs more love. You have so succinctly stated what I attempted to point to here. Especially when I mention the little children who know intrinsically that suffering is not necessary to learn. Children in fact Thrive in loving environments, when patience, empathy and true and genuine caring is offered in the learning and growing process.
What a horrid lie we have been dealt in so many ways, through education, through religion, through philosophy, through Hate and lies. It will be very hard for most people to accept what is said here because it will cause an existential crisis. Every thing that people build their lives on is often on the foundation of this LIE... Suffering is necessary for learning. Suffering is noble... and so on. thank you for your comment! my next topic will look into the concept of opposites.. How can we KNOW love if we do not know Hate. I can tell you from a life of constant introspection and observation of the suffering and confusion that so many deal with that it is absolutely possible to KNOW what is good and right without going through hell to figure it out!
Let’s use the example of children and animals. Both are essentially open, trusting and innocent. You show them unbounded love and they will grow, blossom and thrive. I have seen this with my own children and with Arya the Cockatiel, my avian dinosaur companion. Language is super important.
Now, Jackson Browne was one of my favourites to put on the turntable in the 1970s and his Running on Empty song and album. I have not heard about him in ages. Yes, I would like to hear a new song from such a talented person. Especially about love.
how well you put into words the things that so many of us have struggled with over these past years. I've only ever responded to one other substack but this one compels me to join the conversation. for all those who 'know' more than I in this journey, patience please. I'm stumbling around in the dark just like everyone else...
I cannot and will not believe we are the effect of chance or evil. as a woman who identified as a christian for 30 years, it has been the undoing of all my idols to attempt to understand life, as well as the undoing of everything I thought I 'knew' about 'God'. christians are very pompous and deluded people, believing whatever we're told or read, doing zero studying outside of accepted sources of 'knowledge'. in studying words, legal, law, greek and Hebrew, the Bible, nature,etc, for now I rest with this: there are two realities: heaven and hell (genesis 1 and genesis 2) and both are within us. and I think I mean this quite literally. how did Jesus (in reality or metaphorically) heal every single man or woman who came to him. I pondered this for years. when I took a class on the law and bible and asked that question, I was told (as if I were an idiot for asking about miracles) that he just saw what was REAL. they were not miracles; they were him acknowledging reality. I couldn't understand that for two years until I began to 'see' ('you have eyes but see not') that this world isn't real - meaning that which actually exists. in genesis 1 God made everything in his/her/its image (spirit) and it was good. before genesis 2, evil was unknown. yet genesis 2 is all we are taught. religion (including statism) programs us to 'believe' in a lie, legal fiction, unreality and call it truth and reality (are you a 'person'? hell, no!). we are so programmed in this way that undoing the brainwashing is as good as impossible. the other day I was thinking about something else this teacher said: Clint Eastwood was just playing a ROLE called Dirty Harry. he thought, spoke and acted for that person/character. HE WAS NOT that character-duh. I often dwell on the Shakespeare quotes as well. that guy seriously knew something real. so we've all got these scripts we've been programmed from (I don't know where they come from except well meaning deluded people living in hell/genesis 2) but the script is just a role. it's not who we ARE. interestingly, there's only one place in the Bible were 'God' self identifies and the name is I AM. there's a whole lot to ponder there. I, for now, rest in the knowledge? that God is existence, good, whole, perfect and nothing can affect it - not our 'prayers', actions, beliefs or anything else. it just IS. our job here is to 'see' the difference between reality and fiction, spirit and person, and to fix our minds on only what is real. this is like trying to drag a horse-drawn cart filled to the gills with shite out of a hardened track of mud. honestly, if I hadn't glimpsed a wee bit of reality, I wouldn't bother because the path of least resistance is just so much easier - same thoughts, same actions, same beliefs going nowhere but round and round and round. and yet, can existence really be so pointless and malevolent. possibly, but I'm not there yet. and I don't want to be there ever. I have experienced that miracles/reality abound when I see myself as an extension of I AM which is whole and perfect and good and abundance. when I focus on all the evil around me, that becomes all I see and who I am. what IF God is actually omnipotent and omnipresent as the big major world religions teach - then were could evil exist but in our own minds that we bring into actuality. I've kind of been fixated on the phrase 'vain imaginings'. they're mentioned a lot in the Bible. we're instructed to cast them down, not engage in them, have nothing to do with them. what if we do actually create reality with our minds? what if awareness profoundly affects how we experience our reality (see the double slit experiment. it's super important to this conversation and stack). what if the kingdom of heaven is within us and all the work we must do is in our minds and it's as simple as knowing the truth (actual Truth as there is no actual truth in the genesis 2 world which is the one most of us see, hear, touch and WANT desperately) which sets us freeeeeee........what if the goal is to not want those treasures of the world any longer (not an easy thing) and to seek first the kingdom of heaven, which is within us. because we can never be anything we're not - except in our vain imaginings of mind.
Sorry Maria, I am just now seeing your comment. I do not get notifications no matter how I keep picking it while setting up my page. You have said a great deal of thought provoking things here. I want to think on these things before I answer you... If I even can. But I did want to acknowledge your comment and thank you!
It was a pleasure reading your thoughts
You mentioned so many concepts and beliefs that I have also contemplated over the years.
"WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WE TRULY ARE",
Growing up in the Catholic Church as well, though, had me questioning everything. Most of it did not make sense to me. We start with a God, who could not control the evil in the world, When it got bad enough he sent his OWN (we seem to be less then HIS OWN) in to the world to NOT put an end to evil and suffering but to confirm that we were sinners and lost and unable to save ourselves. So God had to sacrifice his OWN son, as if he hadn't already been sacrificing us, through plagues, catastrophes, demonic emperors' hell bent on wars, and domination. To make a long story short, This idea that we are hopeless and helpless sinners needing a savior keeps plenty from taking power into their own hands and standing up for themselves in this very corruptly run/managed world. There are other accounts of beings from other places/realities/dimensions/universes who came here and manipulated us genetically and disabled our true power and intelligence. That really makes things confusing, Other beings who could tamper with our Creator's work. Yes, it is daunting and confusing, and overwhelming for those of us who do decide to ask the questions and start exploring.
I may be wrong, I certainly have my vengeful thoughts against those who would harm life, and make slaves/experiment subjects/victims of horrible suffering out of other living beings, but my thought is that Heaven and Hell and the concept that: BOTH ARE WITHIN US... is just that, a CONcept. It is a beLIEf that serves those who wish to keep us oppressed, and would want us thinking this way about ourselves. That we cannot point the finger at a perpetrator without pointing the finger back at ourselves. That way they can say THERE ARE NO VICTIMS, because you are doing it to yourselves. THIS is connected to all the other things you bring up about our thoughts and actions, our beliefs and what we focus on and how we are creating reality.
Do we have absolute evidence that Jesus healed people, or that he taught people how to think in order to heal themselves? How many of us would choose to do hellish, demonic, evil things if we were not living tormented lives, suffering in pain, in hopelessness and depression? Maybe this is what Jesus was really doing, teaching us to see the system of deceit in which we put our faith. Maybe the Man named Jesus was teaching the people to see how they have been mind controlled and enslaved by lies and false perceptions. Maybe the world is not an illusion, but a MATRIX OF LIES HAS BEEN WOVEN LIKE A WEB OVER OUR PERCEPTION AND IS KEEPING US PRISONER/MIND CONTROLLED BY THE PROGRAM.
There may be truth to this idea, that first the world was made perfect and free from suffering, and then something indeed went very wrong. Maybe it is true an evil entity came in and hypnotized us, reprogrammed us, HID the beauty and harmony of the REAL world, and our Garden disappeared before our eyes, we were stripped down of all of our power, our memory, our truth. We suffered amnesia and then our minds were taken over by false stories of our Origin?
maybe we are now Characters/zombies playing a scripted parts forced on us by the Matrix programming, and because we have amnesia. We are at the whim of our Puppeteers. It reminds me of when I was a child and played with Barbies, I dressed them, I fed them, I walked them, I made them sit, and sleep, or wake up and swim, or drive, I spoke for them, I chose their personality. I threw them in the box when I got bored. Is this what is being done to us?
I have been testing the idea that we create reality with our minds for a long time. I have contemplated many of the things you are speaking of. I would love to address it in another post. One big question I have is WHY do those who run this world want to control our MINDS, Control our THOUGHTS, control our health and keep us in states of weakness, ill, fearful and suffering? To me, it points to the possibility that we are powerful through our thoughts, and in turn how we act upon our thoughts. This is why they control our thoughts and lead us into acting out THEIR PLANS.
I do not know what our job/purpose is, if any,(maybe we are prisoners playing out a sick game) But I do think it is up to us to see our predicament and do something about it, and of course we can sit back and watch the show, and wait for our exit off stage too, as you mentioned. Interestingly most people are suffering enough to become apathetic but not enough to stand up for themselves. WHAT if this is our only life? Do we decide to make the best of it? Do we put the idea to the test that we do have power to create, for me I certainly want to put those ideas to the test. I am wary/weary of anything promoted to the collective, I do not want to be part of a collective, I want to be careful of what I believe in and where I put my power. this is getting too long, but thank you for all the thoughts, you brought up so many things that so many of us have been looking in to, all valid and important.
Oh my goodness! Where to begin…. Last night I couldn’t sleep and around 3-4 I have this revelation: I’m NOT a dirty sinner deserving of suffering to earn my way into heaven! That is church teaching! Jesus taught that we and the father/creator are ONE, which means there’s nothing on earth that can separate us from source. Except our own minds. We deserve love and abundance and to be cherished.
Thought always precedes form and form always precedes substance. It is imo our own thoughts that create reality, by fixing our minds on truth, which can only be spirit rather than vanity/world, which is 100% a literal legal fiction. This is the reason for outside control of our minds. God IS Mind-awareness, existence, perfection, completion. To truly know that we are one with this means man cannot rule over other men. So we can’t have that in the world. No one can know. Programmed from the moment of conception.
Regarding Jesus healing, there are those who heal now and the common
Theme seems to be the awareness and acknowledgment of the reality of the other., that they are complete and perfect expressions of source just as they are now- the rest is like a dirty coat that just needs to fall off the shoulders. The scales must fall from our eyes so that we can see.
From this perspective, if there r other life forms, they’re created by the One and thus must be good. Anything else is man made and therefore vanity/vain imaginings, illusion: a person seems real yet could not be more unreal. All of life is within our minds🩷
Amazing!! All this came from last night?
Once again I will think on your revelations.
I appreciate your comment and sharing Maria
What makes us so unique to be configured as we are. Our role vs plants and animals, and inanimate objects for that matter. All on this earth, even corporal beings off this earth have roles. Perhaps we are the hands of the Creator. Collective energy necessary to manipulate the physical world. To what ends? As you ask. Why?
It’s a personal journey. Each entity is faced with unique challenges of its role and environment. Each response selects a different course which is either correct or needing further correction. And how would we know to correct without some form of feedback? Is that pain or tragedy in extreme situations?
I’ve pondered this stuff my entire life. I’ve even questioned the Creator but I think I’ve had enough experiences now to know that there is organization and communication guided by something not adequately defined by our human frame of reference. Call it what you will. My sister calls it God. She makes a compelling case based on here life choices and experience. And I’m ok with that. I made my own choices based on feeling and intuition early in life. Always listening, studying, observing the various feedbacks I received due to my actions. Adjusting accordingly. As I aged my thoughts sought validation in the physical realm of science and engineering. Working on machines of immense power for both good and bad. Dual use technology so to say. Technology I enabled but did not have any control of its end use. Always questioning why and knowing there was some purpose to me that was not being fulfilled by those wondrous machines. But what?
Seeking purpose was rekindled when I dealt with cancer at mid-life. After that experience I knew I had not found my purpose yet. But then I also realized I may never truly find the real reason. It may be that my mere presence has affected or enabled some action or entity to fulfill its role. Collective action for whatever purpose. And I guess as long as I continue to be driven to find purpose and act in a helpful non-ego driven manner, able to impart insight and wisdom on those I encounter, then that may be enough. A time here not wasted. And I’m ok with that too.
thank you for sharing a bit of your life story Mike, and your struggles and your intuitive ability or even your struggles to come to terms. I agree with you that there is something more to life and us then just randomness and purposelessness. I agree that intuitively we KNOW when something is right and something is not right. This is the exact reason why for me suffering is not noble or necessary for growth. My thoughts and my observations lead to a force that is beyond reasonable, is working here to keep us from our Truth and our possibility. As I stated in the essay, there is a difference between overcoming obstacles and dealing with cause and effect, there is suffering that just comes with the territory. Then there is another kind of suffering that seems to purposefully be inflicted on all life. This is what I am pointing to, this is what I want to come to terms with. Why does disease of the magnitude of cancer have to be a lesson for learning? I wish you or anyone else could have been spared that, and I commend you for your efforts to overcome it. My brother and my mother in law both lost the battle, To me both were amazing people in this world, they were gifts in my life.. I wrote about my brother... maybe I will post it, I can't imagine what a little child has done to deal with these kinds of suffering... and the parents and loved ones in their life.. I think you have said something really wonderful actually in your thought that your mere presence was all that was needed to make a difference in this world. I know that is the case with my brother and my Mother in law! The best to you! Thanks for sharing!
“ As I stated in the essay, there is a difference between overcoming obstacles and dealing with cause and effect, there is suffering that just comes with the territory.
Then there is another kind of suffering that seems to purposefully be inflicted on all life. This is what I am pointing to, this is what I want to come to terms with.”
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Is what you are pointing to all caused by humans?
I wish I knew the answer to this.. But I do not think so, I think there is something going on here, controlling us. just looking at the state of society now. WE are controlled by agents..We call them GOVERN-MENT which translates to GOVERNORS OF MIND. Our minds are controlled by those who know how to manipulate our perceptions creating be-LIE-fs that we take as truth, these beLIEfs are meant to destroy our power and erase our memory of who we ARE.
Who is stating the lies if not humans?
who ever created this construct.. I am not saying it Is NOT us.. but I am saying that who ever it is, is governing our thought. I call it a parasite. a virus. something that wants to copy our Nature. and manipulate it to it's needs.
You and I and this group here are speaking freely so are ‘they’ really governing out thoughts 💭. Especially, the thought against ‘them’?
True that pain and suffering is encountered in the natural progression of life. Kind of comes with the territory. However I reject the idea that it is necessary as prescribed by any religion or societal dictate. These are nothing more than manmade interpretations for control and power. I think we can minimize through intuition, alertness, selflessness, aware learning, but you ask an important question that would call to question what we are often led to believe. Why does it take unknown eons of rebirth to figure out? It’s a question deeper than here’s your spiritual and material construct as best as we are able to intuit individually or learn from ancient texts or wisemen. Makes you question absolutely everything. And I mean absolutely everything.
My materially trained mind would surmise that the Creator is infinity and you can never attain infinity. No matter how hard or how long you try. But Pareto would say we can get substantially there without infinite power and wisdom. But to your question again, are there entities that may go the extra effort to get closer to the Creator? Probably. But I’m open to suggestion.
Enjoy your holiday. BTW Jackson Brown Running On Empty is a go to album if I’m feeling nostalgic for my college days. When I was younger I couldn’t wait to get older. But I always bristle when someone calls me sir because I still feel young. Despite my declining physical strength, the only thing that makes me feel old is trying to understand current generation thinking and why they act as they do and come to such ridiculous conclusions. Just reinforces that I am from another era that has passed and they’re going to have to relearn past truisms in their own way. So back to suffering again.
I love pergolas. An under-utilized garden feature now days. Same for trellis’.
I am under it quite a bit, lol built a fire pit in the middle of it, but my aim was to have a place where I could sit out while it rained.
Sorry responding so late, I do not get notifications, and I just saw this!
Yes, that is my stance, that suffering is not necessary to learn lessons or to grow, especially not under the circumstances dealt to us in this world, by governments (govern the mind) and religion. I do question absolutely everything! MOre to come, as I find a way to communicate my thoughts. Thank you for your participation and comments on this subject! Oh and Mike, yes, I love that album, and me too, listening brings me back to college days... and actually High school too. I not only feel young. I am still that young and enthusiastic, so I thought, free spirit, wanting to explore. Hey I can still climb mts and last summer I built a pergola from scratch, my own design, cutting all the pieces and cementing, and building the deck... maybe I'll share that next on a lighter post!
Wow—you really asked the right questions here, and poked a hole in just about every half-baked explanation for what our ‘purpose’ for living could be.
Like all great pieces of writing, I’m left with more questions than answers (about the world around me, of course—you made your point very clearly). Thank you for writing this.
I just had to laugh... thank you.. isn't that the truth.. the more we poke the more we come up with WHAT???... from some of the responses... I have another post brewing.. as all thinkers do eh? Thank you Melissa!!
Haha, absolutely. Looking forward to the next one!
M*A*S*H television show was quite popular. It was designed for one purpose alone: to instill a sense that SUFFERING IS NOBLE.
It is the savior myth.
Of course there is always the cruel trick: You CAN'T pay for your own sins so someone or something has to do it for you but you sure can be made to regret those sins that have supposedly been paid for.
And the dogs think they have it bad.
Yes my whole point.. SUFFERING IS NOBLE = BULL SHIT.
BTW, who coined Bullshit? Don't we use that stuff to grow our gardens?
Bull shit is powerful isn't it? Grows THEIR STORY through us.
Little Known Facts: Fresh manure is full of pathogens and can BURN plants if you put it directly on them. Manure HAS to be PROPERLY composted, brought up to a high internal temperature so kill the parasites and other bugs and break down the ammonia that can poison your plants.
NOTHING on this planet is EVER what it seems or has been portrayed to be.
On the flip side:
Left in a field for some time splats of cow manure can become as hard as a dinner plate to be used for hours of fun by low I.Q. farm dwellers as frisbees.
Christians would often ask me: "Why do you think you are here, then?"
I would reply: "To be punished."
"But you don't believe in God. What are you being punished for?"
"Something I haven't done - yet."
You are punished for fun. Not your fun. The fun and ego boost of some other entity.
you have such a clear way of thinking of things and making it clear to us.
Something I haven't done yet... LOL... except that this is the goal NOW. to KNOW what we are going to do, and think, in every moment. They've been training us up for this all along. perfect mind controlled servants.
The Buddhamind is in The Moment. Because the past is gone and the future hasn't arrived. I spend nearly ALL of my time in the future referenced from the past because otherwise there is no SURVIVAL in the now.
Mistakes and successes of the past are our foundation for what we do next or decisions that we make in the now to let us get through this episode of the movie CUBE without being turned into fertilizer.
A Flatworm has no capacity to learn it only reacts to stimulus.
You can observe flatworms in their natural habitat on a recliner sipping a beer and eating a pizza in front of the superbowl game.